Remember When Tanks Asked Before Large Pulls?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Experts have become so easy, you have to be asleep to not handle big pulls. The sole exception can be the last stretch of mobs before the Owl boss in GGH. More than a few healers or tanks aren't ready for the amount of damage, though it's less of an issue nowadays. I wish dungeons actually required me to work towards big pulls. Sadly, we haven't seem even remotely hard dungeons since The Avery and Vault. It's pretty sad leveling content is harder than the supposedly experts. Admittedly, I won't do small pulls in Xelphatol. Call me an elitist but it would actually take less time if I left it and ate the penalty. That is how absurdly easy it is.

So basically, every fight is like a primal that takes a while to beat. Yeah no.

A simple middle ground would be PotD's harder floors. Those trash mobs deal upwards of 5,000-7,000 damage when tanks barely get above 20k. If you even think about pulling the entire room, they'll murder you in seconds. If you design the mobs to be like glass cannons, it keeps things interesting without needlessly bogging down the run. Add some varying elements like patrols, mobs DPS need to single target ASAP, the possibility they can break away from the aggro table and you have dungeons that might actually be a bit memorable.

Simply put, I should have to actually use my tank cooldowns.

[Neophyte]

I'm not going to waste my swiftcast on a spell that doesn't take very long to cast. It should be saved for raises, in the event that a party member dies.

Saving CDs for emergencies is usually a bad thing. Especially short 60s ones like Swiftcast, Tetra, Aetherflow(incl. the 3 stacks, i.e. sitting on '6' stacks for emergencies), Divine Seal, etc..

I rather use those 15x in a dungeon than once in 15 dungeons. :3

[Ragology]

What dungeon are you doing that requires a swiftcast for raise 1 minute after the start?

People need raises in the first minute of a dungeon? Really?

Never forget.

[Neophyte]

Never forget.

Well, since the most dangerous place there is the very first room (and also talking about the first minute) I don't see the point in rezzing someone with weakness there, anyway.
If a tank dies, losing a GCD to rezz him only results in a dead healer/dps then anyway, and tank won't get hate (beside of one mob) anyway, cause no tp/mp. ^^

The last thing I need fighting 4 mobs with 2dps+heal is a tank with weakness and neither emnity nor protect or ressources.


Also: Do other people hate those players waiting for a rezz after a bossfight (with new shortcut), too?

[Taika]

I'm just kind of sad from all what I read on the forum about the current healing meta because it seems it has taken a more important turn toward DPSing. While I remember before I quitted than when doing big pulls, or with some bosses (who, I clearly noticed, have been nerfed since) the tank always flirted with death and there was no time at all for dps to the exception of special encounters where some well placed Holy could do wonder.

You're creating your own memories. DPS has always been a part of healer meta in this game: healers did DPS from Sastasha through the whole Coil. Holy burn was an essential part of speed running Wanderer's Palace. Even in 1.0 healers were doing DPS in dungeons and boss fights (WHM Moogle burn was a thing, for example).

[Exiled_Tonberry]

I remember when endgame dungeons were actually hard enough to care what you pull.

[Lufir]

Never forget.

Again, just release and run back. Especially in Aurum Vale's first room lol. No reason to raise that early on so close to the entrance and gimp your stats to weakness.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Swiftcast is a thing.

Swift cast on anything other than Holy, Shadow flare, Gravity, or a Raise is a waste that would've been better served elsewhere.

From what I read on the forum, it seems healer now spent more time in Cleric stance than not and I even hear people saying some Tank dont even heals anymore in some dungeons.

Yup, that's my gripe as well. Nowadays healers get told off if they spend less than 90% of their time in cleric stance, going off what I've seen in game.

[Chocolys]

Your creating your own memories. DPS has always been a part of healer meta in this game: healers did DPS from Sastasha through the whole Coil. Holy burn was an essential part of speed running Wanderer's Palace. Even in 1.0 healers were doing DPS in dungeons and boss fights (WHM Moogle burn was a thing, for example).

I never said I was not doing any DPS. And Wanderer palace was exactly the kind on special encounters I mentioned, where I was using Holy.

What I said was that during big pulls, I had not lot of time to DPS. And the overally I did not spend more time in Cleric Stance, than time healing.

For example when Brayflox HM was just released (I quitted the game shortly after that), and we were doing big pull in it, I had no time be half healing, half DPSing, because I was using about every healing skill without any pause to keep the tank alive. With luck I could place few Holies once the herd was thinned enough and the tank could substain the lesser incoming damage. (Or earlier if there was really good DPS.)

And during boss fights in various random matched group duties (which is what this thread is about since the issue is about "asking for big pull" which you should already know if you're in a premade group), I had a lot of healing to do, for example the simple AK wall boss (before it was nerfed), with pug standing sometimes in purple aoe and then the 2 bees, so lot of esunas and heals. Most of my time was not spent in cleric stance.

I remember doing lot of heals even in a "simple dungeons" like Castrum simply because otherwise just by the time he would take me to go into cleric stance and casting some attack, one the pug would have been standing at a bad place and died instantly if I did not keep him at 100% in the first place. (and it was not unusual for the second healer to just be DPS happy without caring about the rest of the party xD)

From what I read on the forum, it seems healer now spent more time in Cleric stance than not and I even hear people saying some Tank can survive without heals in some dungeons. So that has clearly changed because before I quitted I don't know any dungeon where the tank could pull stuff and survive without any kind of healer.

Also when I read a SCH can remain in CS and just let his fairy do the healing, my heart ache. If it has reached such point, let s just remove the Healing class, and give a fairy to the tank. xD

[Jetstream_Fox]

This used to be a thing, but now I don't see it anymore. How come?

Should I as a DPS ask to use group AoE damage? Probably not. A Tank really doesn't need to ask whether or not they should full pull, as aggro gain is their only job. A healer also shouldn't need to ask before AoE healing. These are extreme basics of the game that is taught via Hall of the Novice, now if a healer can't heal through or a tank isn't geared to allow pulls then that is a different discussion.