Remember When Tanks Asked Before Large Pulls?

[Bonkleberry]

Because dungeons are too easy and offer no challenges? Pulling the maximum amount of mobs finishes the dungeon quicker before everyone falls asleep.

Funny you'd mention that. I find myself bored when tanks large pulls. It means I have to stand there and play healbot because there will be no chance for me to DPS safely and then the dungeons takes longer to complete.

[Lilseph]

Funny you'd mention that. I find myself bored when tanks large pulls. It means I have to stand there and play healbot because there will be no chance for me to DPS safely and then the dungeons takes longer to complete.

What dungeons are you talking about? Because the "expert" dungeons (and lots of level 60 dungeons) enable you to do safe big pulls. So maybe you came accross bad tanks that won't pop a cd ever? Or are we talking about leveling dungeons? because yeah, these are tough when it comes to do mass pulls. Both the ilvl and level synch are a bane for mass pulling in these.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Snip.

Unrelated, but I echo the sentiment that big pulls are a snoozefest, both as a tank and as a healer, and have been so since the middle of the 2.X series. Regardless of role, I come close to dozing because AoE is so ridiculously simple to perform. You could macro it as pretty much any job and lose very, very little in the damage department.

And small packs aren't.

Well, I find small packs more engaging because then I actually need to start using a proper rotation in order to bring them down quickly, rather than, as an example, hitting Cleric Stance and my macro that chain casts Aero3 into several holies.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Unrelated, but I echo the sentiment that big pulls are a snoozefest, both as a tank and as a healer, and have been so since the middle of the 2.X series. Regardless of role, I come close to dozing because AoE is so ridiculously simple to perform. You could macro it as pretty much any job and lose very, very little in the damage department.

And small packs aren't? If I pull 3-4 mobs at a time and you're my healer, I literally have no use for you. Seriously, you could /sit and I wouldn't even notice because small packs just don't hit hard enough. Equilibrium, Inner Beast, DA + Abyssal Drain and Clemency make healers utterly irrelevant unless tanks pull the room. Hilariously, three of those abilities don't even have cooldowns.

Well, I find small packs more engaging because then I actually need to start using a proper rotation in order to bring them down quickly, rather than, as an example, hitting Cleric Stance and my macro that chain casts Aero3 into several holies.

For one, macro-ing abilities like that is a notable DPS loss. You should never macro anything except to give a chat warning (raise, berserk and etc). Anywho, you should still be Holy spamming with small pulls. Three mobs nets a combined potency of 540 per cast whereas Stone III is only 210 on a single target. Considering the tank will need no healing whatsoever, MP wouldn't be much of an issue. So I don't see where exactly you get to use a rotation. Likewise, DPS jobs are similar. Rockbreaker, Doom Spike and etc all remain a higher potency overall than single target abilities on 2-3+ mobs. Small pulls basically amount to the exact same thing. It only takes longer.

[Lilseph]

Unrelated, but I echo the sentiment that big pulls are a snoozefest

On my end, it's the opposite. (Personal experience)

A) When I go as a tank (I play WAR), it's less engaging because the mobs hit like a wet noodle. It makes the job more boring because I have a strong AoE DPS that is pretty much wasted on small pulls. My skillset is also ready for big pulls, it's not something crazy. With DRK must be the same. Can't say the same about PLD as they lack AoE damage but a super reliable skillset to avoid getting damaged at all, enabling the DPS/Healer to burn the group of mobs in no time.
B) When I go as a healer (I play SCH), it's less engaging because I'm wasting AoE damage con 2 or 3 mobs at a time. I rarely have to heal the tank, when Eos/Selene can pretty much take care of it. It's boring because I don't have to worry about the tank. I just sit there and DPS until things disappear. It's slow and not engaging. I'd assume it's the same for the other jobs, as a couple of regens do the trick.
C) When I play DPS (I play BLM), it's boring. An actual rotation is overkill for trash mobs. AoEs, although is quite simple, in mass pulling bring efficiency. You can have your actual rotations for bosses.

Since I DF a lot, I realized that mass pulling has become the norm. At first I used to ask if the group was down for it, and every-single-time they answered "Yes", "There's no other way", "Please do", etc. Small pulls are a minority.

[Lufir]

Funny you'd mention that. I find myself bored when tanks large pulls. It means I have to stand there and play healbot because there will be no chance for me to DPS safely and then the dungeons takes longer to complete.

It is perfectly fine that you find large pulls boring. The fact is though, larger pulls are proven to be faster in 60 dungeons. There is really no opinion on it and it is silly to suggest otherwise. I'm assuming you are referring to lower level dungeons because at 60, as a healer you have more than enough skills/abilities to throw out some heavy damage while being able to keep the tank alive. My mistake if the OP was in fact referring to tanks practices pre-60. But at 60, now? There is no reason not to pull more than 3 monsters per group. You're only spending more time than necessary.

[Ragology]

Sometimes when you don't pull big enough, the dps (or sometimes the healer) will run off and bring more mobs. Its tough to know how much the group wants.

[Yeol]

- Most of the time, tanks will check healers gear and whether it is their first time or not.
- Some tanks can handle themselves well in large pulls by using the right CDs to make it easy on healers.
- Dungeons are easy to heal in general.

If you don't want a large pull just ask the tank to pull less.

[YISUG]

- Most of the time, tanks will check healers gear and whether it is their first time or not.
- Some tanks can handle themselves well in large pulls by using the right CDs to make it easy on healers.
- Dungeons are easy to heal in general.

If you don't want a large pull just ask the tank to pull less.

i would consider the dps players gear more than the healer
mobs dying faster means less healing , that how it works

[Yeol]

i would consider the dps players gear more than the healer
mobs dying faster means less healing , that how it works

That too. Had a bad run with 2 bards taking ages to down mobs.
Turned out one is just bad and the other one is not geared well.