[dev1206] Class Reforms: why the 15/11 limit?

[Mishakai]

I suggest trying the new system before complaining about things that may or may not exist in the new system. Getting all upset over speculation does nobody any good.

It is impossible to provide constructive criticism to the developers about anything until you have experienced it first hand.

[Monsalvato]

The point of the OP is not about the loss of tiers, because really each type or element still has at least 2 spells to it so it isn't like they are likely to all have the same potency/cast time/cost and in some cases like the cures, the differences are explicit in the descriptions.

He repeated that this wasn't the point a few times to try and get the conversation back on the right track but people keep posting counter arguments to the one person arguing that removing the tiers is a huge problem, which is really not the purpose of the thread.

^ This!

I think the OP's concern is that they are forcing themselves into a pattern for aquiring abilities and traits on a class, not necessarily the abundance or lack of abilities on the classes.

^ and this!

I suggest trying the new system before complaining about things that may or may not exist in the new system. Getting all upset over speculation does nobody any good.

I don't think I got all upset? If I gave that impression I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention.
I didn't mean to shoot a "final judgement" on the patch either, OF COURSE we can't finalize that until we've really tried it.
Still, I think we can discuss it in a constructive way, especially if each opinion has reasons behind it and it's not simply shoot around in an unrational way.