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  1. #11
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    Paladinleeds's Avatar
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Because they want people to figure it out themselves and the community usually does a better job at explaining at how things work or how to use something. That or they encourage everyone to help each other, which is how MMOs should be.
    On that I agree. MMO standing for "Massive Multiplayer Online" means it should bring in interaction with other players. That should mean helping each other, trying to work together, etc. On Odin at least, that mostly seems to be the case, that everyone works together to support each other.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Feli Aiko
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
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    Only AST was the real problematic HW Job at launch, really. DRK's issue was more on players trying to approach it like PLD, to which I'd say the outlook towards the Job changed after people saw it getting the World First A3S clear, plus A4S' design giving it some advantage over PLD. MCH's issue on the other hand was a combination of players generally not understanding the Job fully (leading to Yoshi's comments that the community misconstrued as him saying 'git gud'), and the encounter design of Gordias (they lacked the sustain compared to BRD). Midas' design subsequently played to MCH's strengths, which on top of the buffs they got (notably Hypercharge) cemented their spot in statics henceforth.

    So in that vein, if RDM can provide some form of utility that contributes to increased raid DPS then there will be a desire for them in groups. Since their Caster competition currently don't do this (but are the opposite, feeding off the utility of others) that alone could be enough for them to lock down the Caster spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Because they want people to figure it out themselves and the community usually does a better job at explaining at how things work or how to use something. That or they encourage everyone to help each other, which is how MMOs should be.
    Well, folks who are screaming at me in df aren't being very helpful, and the fc I play with is casual, and as I'm rather inclined to listen to what the devs say vs the salty NA folks who sometimes come out incorrect (Please see MCH and Y-P saying to basically gitgud upon its release) it'd be helpful if we had some official hints. maybe not complete rotation but some input would be appreciated.
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    <- The real reason Yoshi-P stressed watching all the cutscenes.

    Matoya: And that should give you a notion of how sick and tired I was of those spineless wretches of the Forum. All talk and no trousers, that lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sainya View Post
    Well, folks who are screaming at me in df aren't being very helpful, and the fc I play with is casual, and as I'm rather inclined to listen to what the devs say vs the salty NA folks who sometimes come out incorrect (Please see MCH and Y-P saying to basically gitgud upon its release) it'd be helpful if we had some official hints. maybe not complete rotation but some input would be appreciated.
    I think if there's too much misinformation going round then Yoshi will step in, but they'd rather leave it up to the community at first. Generally speaking, they base decisions more off their Japanese playerbase, which is a heck of a lot different to the EU/NA playerbase, so I feel even the JP playerbase must have been getting MCH completely wrong for Yoshi to step in like he did.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    I think if there's too much misinformation going round then Yoshi will step in, but they'd rather leave it up to the community at first. Generally speaking, they base decisions more off their Japanese playerbase, which is a heck of a lot different to the EU/NA playerbase, so I feel even the JP playerbase must have been getting MCH completely wrong for Yoshi to step in like he did.
    Yes you're seeing my point. They're expecting a lot out of NA and I certainly do not speak Japanese (Although I am doing my best to learn!) and I do not have access to a guide for the (for example) skill speed monk that Y-P mentioned a while back to point out the difference between the NA and JP playerbase.
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    Last edited by Sainya; 01-01-2017 at 02:09 PM. Reason: clarity on the sks monk.
    <- The real reason Yoshi-P stressed watching all the cutscenes.

    Matoya: And that should give you a notion of how sick and tired I was of those spineless wretches of the Forum. All talk and no trousers, that lot.

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