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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    If you take spin-offs into account not mentioning Dissidia would be blasphemy. They really need to take that serie from the handhelds and use the gameplay in the mainline entries. It is so close to having very very good gameplay almost on the level of fighting games/DMC that it makes me drool for more (you can actually treat it as a legitimate fighting game with tiers and advanced tactics. Too bad it has no online). Kingdom Hearts could also learn something from it.
    I disagree. Final Fantasy is meant to be a turn-based series going back to it's origins. Turning it into an action game ruins the franchise for what it's famous for (Interesting story, character depth and battle system). Yes the previous games have character depth to claim they do not have character depth compared to XIII you're being an oblivious fanboy/girl.

    As one stated before Nomura put a lot of customization or so into character design? Yet many of the characters are a rip off of characters from games before it or from different titles.

    Back to my point, adding in a battle system such as Dissidia's many people would probably agree with mainly because of KH syndrome. But if you follow the trend of failure from the past few FF games and why the public doesn't label them as good as it's predecessors, the answer is obvious.

    It's moving far away from what they enjoyed in the past games and the battle system is one of them. XIII uses ATB like some of the previous games but it was more action oriented than strategic. Not to mention controlling one character at a time? That's removing depth from the game that made it more enjoyable.


    P.S. Those who say "more sequels to the series and spin-offs" just no. Final Fantasy is not meant to have spin-offs/sequels they're stand alone games. Sequels and spin-offs just milk the game they're based on and/or not needed. XIII is an exception since development stopped when it was ported.
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    I disagree. Final Fantasy is meant to be a turn-based series going back to it's origins.
    It is either strategic or action-oriented. Old Final Fantasies suck at both.

    There is no magical "third option". Those are the two choices and the turn-based system did not excel in neither.

    I'm sorry to tell you that the franchise you love sucks at being a video game. But just like in your post I am responding to, you will keep refusing to acknowledge this in your attempt to justify your fondness to the franchise by writing a lot of words and stating very little. Which is why it is useless to bother going further than this.
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    I hate FFXIII

    Battle system- AI was STUPID, example Enemy is susceptible to Deprotect and Deshell. Vanille cast fog over and over and over... Party leader dies game over, why can't a team mate be smart enough to use a pheonix down without my orders? Didn't know I was playing persona now.

    Characters- Sahz, Snow, and Lightning were the only cool party members.

    Hope (I wanted dead, is a wimp, makes awkward situations like what he said after getting back to cacoon, and meeting up with Snow's old gang).
    Vanille's constant, annyoing, one track monologue pissed me off. "Oh we didn't know if we were going to make it but we had no choice but to move foward." YEAH I got that during the first 5 minutes into the game you dumb *beep* SHUT UP!
    Fang is just a character to look at.

    Story- They gave Alexander to Hope, are you kidding me... Vanille's monologue...
    Everyone>> Oh don't worry chapter 12 is when the game gets good.
    Me>> Isn't that the end of the game?
    Everyone>> Yes.
    Me>> Why should I have to wait till the end of the game for it to be good. FFT FFVII FFVIII FFIX FFX FFXI and Pac-man was awesome from start to finish.

    I got to the end of 13 where you have to put the bridge together to get to the final boss... I can't even finish it. I litterally can't turn on my ps3 knowing I am going to play such a shitty game.

    I feel more productive playing FFXIV sitting there for 4 hours doing absolutely nothing, than playing XIII. Atleast I gave the game a chance till chapter 12 to redeem itself, but it failed to get my attention.

    Sorry had to rant when I see XIII talk. Of course the following rant is my own opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    It is either strategic or action-oriented. Old Final Fantasies suck at both.

    There is no magical "third option". Those are the two choices and the turn-based system did not excel in neither.

    I'm sorry to tell you that the franchise you love sucks at being a video game. But just like in your post I am responding to, you will keep refusing to acknowledge this in your attempt to justify your fondness to the franchise by writing a lot of words and stating very little. Which is why it is useless to bother going further than this.
    Doesn't have to excel as long as you enjoy it and if you hate Final Fantasy so much why do you post on a Final Fantasy forum and why did you purchase the game? Also you cannot just toss out random statements you need "words' to express and describe the statement or it's all hot air; sad to say but your opinion is invalid. If it sucked as a franchise then it wouldn't have done so well up to current gen games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caselia View Post
    If it sucked as a franchise then it wouldn't have done so well up to current gen games.
    "Franchise sucks as a video game" =! "franchise sucks".

    I don't hate Final Fantasy. I state things how they are, not how I want them to be. People can find playing bad games entertaining. That's not wrong at all.

    Your last misconception is that there is an opinion anywhere in my statements. It's the last line of defense for any FF fan. "It's just your opinion". But sorry, that it is not. Objective truth is out there and that truth is that this franchise sucks as a video game, and as a story in anything but video game standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northernsky View Post
    Fair enough.
    That said, I played my first FFs as a teen, and still enjoy those ones the most. There was that "little something" (best word that comes to mind is '"atmosphere") that could not be achieved with just gameplay or graphics.
    That's called nostalgia
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    i like that they will push out more of these, i always thought they came out way to slow. only on 14 after all this time, i'd say lets pump it up to triple that at least, i'd happily buy each one if they keep being great. now if they start turning into really bad games then ...cya laters. but using the same graphics or engine or whatever it is they do sounds cool if it means a few spinoffs and more stories and contents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caselia View Post
    I disagree. Final Fantasy is meant to be a turn-based series going back to it's origins. Turning it into an action game ruins the franchise for what it's famous for (Interesting story, character depth and battle system). Yes the previous games have character depth to claim they do not have character depth compared to XIII you're being an oblivious fanboy/girl.

    As one stated before Nomura put a lot of customization or so into character design? Yet many of the characters are a rip off of characters from games before it or from different titles.

    Back to my point, adding in a battle system such as Dissidia's many people would probably agree with mainly because of KH syndrome. But if you follow the trend of failure from the past few FF games and why the public doesn't label them as good as it's predecessors, the answer is obvious.

    It's moving far away from what they enjoyed in the past games and the battle system is one of them. XIII uses ATB like some of the previous games but it was more action oriented than strategic. Not to mention controlling one character at a time? That's removing depth from the game that made it more enjoyable.


    P.S. Those who say "more sequels to the series and spin-offs" just no. Final Fantasy is not meant to have spin-offs/sequels they're stand alone games. Sequels and spin-offs just milk the game they're based on and/or not needed. XIII is an exception since development stopped when it was ported.
    Some of their games deserve a sequel/prequel, or just a follow up, but SE always ALWAYS!! Does it for the ones that just suck(And the sequel sucks too <.<) look at FFX-2 horrible game :/ Vagrant story never got a sequel, even the masterpiece that is FFT never actually got a sequel, just some kiddie watered version, nor did xenogears another masterpiece from square, or chrono trigger/cross, neither did seikendetsu, hell even FFXII( In my opinion one of the better FF tittles of the last decade if not the best since VI) never got a sequel and we never even fought the alquoria in the main game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scherwiz View Post
    You bought something possibly worse than a fart in a bottle, atleast then, and ... I bought... 2 CE... shit.
    "Sigh" I didn't even get my certificate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XxOstiaxX View Post
    FFVI>FFT>>> All FF

    Please do not mention FFXIII in the same line as FFVI it is blasphemy.
    My Opinion > your opinion

    Also FFXIII is pretty damn similar to FFVI in the sense that you don't have as much control over your party compared to, say, FFX. FFVI fanboys are by far the most delusional in the franchise. I thought FFXIII and FFVI were both equally fun. Deal with it.
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