Thread: Regarding Full Party Premades in Frontline and Patch 3.5

Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

Also, my Sometimes wasn't sarcastic, I was just keeping real about it. I've seen PUGs band together and pull off narrow wins. I've had an entire team of people I didn't know listen to me, and I beat several of my friends on one of the opposing teams with them. Coordination is possible, and DOES happen with randoms, but it doesn't happen consistently or as frequently as we'd all prefer.

Yeah I had a VERY narrow 8v8v8 today where we had 802 points, Adders had 900, and my team was just sitting around for the big ice not killing Adders however, Adders came into the clearing by themselves with no healers and we picked em off 1 by 1 even the battle high guys. We ended up turning it around and won it and Adders had 995 points at the end it's crazy how PUGs can surprise you as well as the enemy team lol so I agree with this PUGs can give you the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by Chevronone

Its not about "git gud" because there is no getting better or helping new people learn when they cant even stay alive. Frontlines is turning into a joke and the people defending full premades of skilled pvperw by saying "form your own", the actual PvP community is so small and tight-knit they typically will only play with their SWAT teams or not at all.

I remember back when Secure and Slaughter were what we were all playing. It wasnt uncommon for a BLM/SMN to call for others to hold their cometeors and had macros prepped to coordinated 3-4 cometeors at once. That was across the alliance, not via premades. You just dont see things like that much on Aether anymore. People used to play for the love of the game, and for Grand Company pride. Not that I'm against the changes they have made, things are only different now. As long as the que is filled with "Garo and Gone" players, as well as tome farmers, PUGs will generally lack the coordination to beat a good premade. However, as one who has been PVPing since we healer zerged in the Fold, my perspective is that it has not always been that way. People used to be able to coordinate and beat premades much more often in the past. Therefore, I believe the shift has occurred in player mentality, not player potential.