Thread: what I hope for 4.0 Battle System

Originally Posted by Garotte14

The game meta did change from 1.0 to 2.0. Because it failed. Since 2.0, the "meta" has not changed. The game is successful so why change it?

Because a MMO that won't evolve can quickly become boring.
The meta worked in 2.0 because we had exactly two tanks (and two healers) for an 8-man party. When a 3rd one was added, the very strict DPS meta nearly kicked PLD out of the loop. Since any tank must be able to tank anything, if you focus on only one metric, you can't really have all tanks as equally efficient. And what will happen when we'll get a 4th tank ? Or a 5th ?

For me, I'm actually happy with the highly structured role system and strong class archetypes. The changes I want are more gameplay changes than anything.

For example, I want minuet and gauss barrel gone because I think that there should be some ranged dps without cast bars at all. Another example, make sword oath more interesting so it's more than just a DoT. You get the idea.

Originally Posted by Garotte14

The game meta did change from 1.0 to 2.0. Because it failed. Since 2.0, the "meta" has not changed.

Just gotta say... the meta didn't change, in principle, from 1.0 to 2.0. 1.0 kicked Gladiators because they didn't have enough damage or health compared to Marauders. 1.2 kicked Paladins because they didn't have enough damage, enmity, or eHP over time compared to Warriors.

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Just gotta say... the meta didn't change, in principle, from 1.0 to 2.0. 1.0 kicked Gladiators because they didn't have enough damage or health compared to Marauders. 1.2 kicked Paladins because they didn't have enough damage, enmity, or eHP over time compared to Warriors.

Well to be fair, 1.23 kicked everything in favor of Warriors...except the occasional healer
And the enmity system back then was broken as hell.

Originally Posted by javid

HEALER:
ast, whm, sch - roles that are forced to constantly heal, regen, cure negative status effects PRIMARILY. I want Healers that have much weaker heals or party takes higher dmg than the nominal HPS. I want more status effects during fights that require healer attention (esuna, adlo, etc). I actually want ast to lose its offensive buffs….no balance or arrow. I want offensive buffs left to the support roles.

This would kill almost all of the fun of the healers. The fact that we can be hybrid with damage or do offensive buffs is part of that fun. If SE made a Sch heal and ONLY heal, then they would be giving Sch a big middle finger since we don't have as much throughput and HALF of our skills are damage. I like that the best way to mitigate damage is for us to contribute to the damage.

That being said, I can get behind weakening our heals. (Even though a scary fraction of the community has trouble healing as it is.)