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    JunseiKei's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Oh please, don't even compare. We may have shields and super slide, but our cast times are longer than a BRD's and we can't exactly click on Firestarter and Thundercloud procs if our Enochian is running low on CD juice (so our instant casts can actually cause a DPS loss), whereas you can use proc'd Straight Shot and Bloodletter (multiple times if lucky).
    Not talking about procs from a BLM; I'm aware that using them on a BLM runs a risk of not only a DPS loss, but can result in a loss of Enochian if you're not paying attention.

    Also, a BLM's casts line up with their cooldowns, unlike a BRD, but having more potencies and buffs to increase their damage. BLM has never wanted for damage, but BRD has generally been on the lower end of the stick in terms of DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by nekuxdesu View Post
    hmm I think you need to retry blm again because this is just incorrect.

    Or maybe the 1 second cast time for WM (stutter step) is the same as 4s for flare
    Right, because a comparison for an entire class is valid against your longest cast that you use only when you have swiftcast and convert on a single target. You're also not taking into an account for when the server tick is, otherwise you run into stutter stepping still interrupting your cast on a BRD. A BLM's cast times are high enough that you probably won't run into that issue, but to say it won't happen is folly, as is to completely ignore that simple fact.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    You people are never happy.
    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunseiKei View Post
    BLM has never wanted for damage, but BRD has generally been on the lower end of the stick in terms of DPS.
    Except BRDs aren't on the lower end of the stick in terms of DPS. They weren't in 2.X. They aren't in 3.X. Aside from a few lulls (where it wasn't so much that BRD was bad, MCH was just better), BRD has always been one of the best jobs in terms of DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    Except BRDs aren't on the lower end of the stick in terms of DPS. They weren't in 2.X. They aren't in 3.X. Aside from a few lulls (where it wasn't so much that BRD was bad, MCH was just better), BRD has always been one of the best jobs in terms of DPS.
    Alright, for that I will relent. I'm biased since I appear to run into worse BRDs than most of the other classes.
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    9.23.2019 [11:15 p.m.]Total Play Time: 1552 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes - You'll be hard-pressed to find a more cynical person than me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
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    [...] You complain and complain and complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian_ View Post
    Except BRDs aren't on the lower end of the stick in terms of DPS. They weren't in 2.X. They aren't in 3.X. Aside from a few lulls (where it wasn't so much that BRD was bad, MCH was just better), BRD has always been one of the best jobs in terms of DPS.
    If you talk to SMNs they will say SMN has good DPS, if you talk to MCHs they will say MCH has good DPS, if you talk to NINs they will say NIN has good dps, and so goes the list.

    Then who is the lowest DPS? Could you rank all the DPS classes?
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    Player Brian_'s Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by alimdia View Post
    If you talk to SMNs they will say SMN has good DPS, if you talk to MCHs they will say MCH has good DPS, if you talk to NINs they will say NIN has good dps, and so goes the list.

    Then who is the lowest DPS? Could you rank all the DPS classes?
    Except I am not basing this off of opinion. I'm basing it off of facts and data. Take a look at fflogs since Gordias. BRDs are not the worst DPS class. This tier, most speed-run comps that are optimized for DPS bring BRD over MNK, BLM and SMN. If you want 2.X data, take a look at the FCoB leader board from DnT. BRDs were pretty much on par with the other DPS jobs BEFORE factoring in foes.
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