Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

**Nestama** · 12-30-2016 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

It's terrible, but I also wish BRD wouldn't lose as much DPS for movement as it currently does in WM. At least MCH get procs that allows for movement, whilst BRD gets no such breaks. While they don't need to move all the time, you're essentially stuck in place like a BLM without the barriers BLM can at least put up. Or an instant teleport/slide (sans being close to a target and getting repelling shot).

Oh please, don't even compare. We may have shields and super slide, but our cast times are longer than a BRD's and we can't exactly click on Firestarter and Thundercloud procs if our Enochian is running low on CD juice (so our instant casts can actually cause a DPS loss), whereas you can use proc'd Straight Shot and Bloodletter (multiple times if lucky).

**Lone-wolfe-02** · 12-30-2016 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Xenosan

I wish SSpeed increased TP/MP native regen.

Crits damage ceiling could have been tied to DET opposed to more Crit, making a balance of the two more important than just Crit > Det.

I wish WM felt more like a song and less like a stance though. Remaining stationary is a fine mechanic for it, but like if the animation and sound effect was a head-banging power chord on the harp which is spammed like meditation or dark arts. swoooon

If you're going Crit and Det as Bard you're doing it wrong, Crit and Sks.

TP is a non issue btw.

**Theodric** · 12-30-2016 12:22 PM

As a MCH main? Yes - please. I dislike suddenly being super mobile when I scale down to level 50 dungeons, raids and trials only to be forced to endure a cast bar at higher levels. I do hope it's something removed in the upcoming combat revamp.

**nekuxdesu** · 12-30-2016 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

While they don't need to move all the time, you're essentially stuck in place like a BLM

hmm I think you need to retry blm again because this is just incorrect.

Or maybe the 1 second cast time for WM (stutter step) is the same as 4s for flare

**Naunet** · 12-30-2016 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by JunseiKei

I'd much more prefer to be able to move and cast, or, better yet, casting bars turning into damage output modifiers with no charge being your standard potency amount (x1) and a full charge being bonus damage (like x1.5 or x2- probably not as high, but setting it for an example).

They should make it so you can move while casting, but WM puts a buff on you that is only up when you're standing still.

As someone who has just experienced the gamechanger of WM... I'm not particularly happy about having one style luring me in on this alt for over half the game only to have the rug pulled out from under my feet.

**Brian_** · 12-30-2016 04:46 PM

Whenever I see this topic, I always think it's made by people who just want BRD to go back to being the easiest and most lenient job to play that only has to put in a fraction of the effort other jobs do for passable results.

Sure, give BRDs back their mobility. But, there needs to be something else to actually make the job as skill-demanding as any other job.

**Shurrikhan** · 12-30-2016 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

If you're going Crit and Det as Bard you're doing it wrong, Crit and Sks.

TP is a non issue btw.

That's the point though. As Crit increases, so does oGCD contribution due to Bloodletter procs, which Skill Speed has no effect on, and yet there is no point at which Determination becomes preferred over Skill Speed (except perhaps after having just reached an optimal plateau both for HSs, oGCD safeties, and CD sync). In turn, the high Skill Speed devalues stance-dancing, during which time Skill Speed has no effect on auto-attacks. The number tuning just feels absolutely off if there was ever supposed to be an element of choice involved. (And if there's not, then why bother it at all?)

The TP drain for Bards is ridiculously low, but the "TP is a non-issue" bit is pretty much limited to them, Machinists, and Ninjas. It's not a universal. The other physicals are still pigeon-holed into relatively low SS due to, again, its scaling, its lack of a proportionate animation speed, and its lack of proportionate TP recovery.

tl;dr: as a generalization, one build thereof being workable =/= a fulfilling take on a class

Originally Posted by Belhi

At the cost of static dps? They are going to have to balance it and it means coming at a cost.

Seriously both MCH and BRD are quite capable of stance dancing when they have to move if they really want to. Its not like it completely removes the ability to dps while moving.

Heavy Shot + auto-attacks are some 233 potency per second, while Feint spamming for your only guaranteed mobile dps while in the 15-second lock-in period on WM/GB is only 156 potency. It may not completely remove the ability to dps while moving, but it is punishing, and the shift between the two could be a whole lot smoother.

(Again, I prefer the slightly more sniper-y, burstier, prepped movement feel of WM over the freer but blander ARR iteration of Bard, but I do wish WM could have been introduced more gradually, stemming from core Archer mechanics, and worked more fluidly.)

**Belhi** · 12-30-2016 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Theodric

As a MCH main? Yes - please. I dislike suddenly being super mobile when I scale down to level 50 dungeons, raids and trials only to be forced to endure a cast bar at higher levels. I do hope it's something removed in the upcoming combat revamp.

At the cost of static dps? They are going to have to balance it and it means coming at a cost.

Seriously both MCH and BRD are quite capable of stance dancing when they have to move if they really want to. Its not like it completely removes the ability to dps while moving.

**LadyKairi** · 12-30-2016 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Belhi

At the cost of static dps? They are going to have to balance it and it means coming at a cost.

Seriously both MCH and BRD are quite capable of stance dancing when they have to move if they really want to. Its not like it completely removes the ability to dps while moving.

This. I feel like a lot of people forget about this. I actually love WM. I never have the issues with it that some people are saying.

**SilkaN** · 12-30-2016 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Brian_

Whenever I see this topic, I always think it's made by people who just want BRD to go back to being the easiest and most lenient job to play

Maybe it's just me but I am far more comfortable playing with WM than without.
Same with Gauss Barrel.

To me it's more stressful without them lol

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