Thread: Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

If you're going Crit and Det as Bard you're doing it wrong, Crit and Sks.

TP is a non issue btw.

That's the point though. As Crit increases, so does oGCD contribution due to Bloodletter procs, which Skill Speed has no effect on, and yet there is no point at which Determination becomes preferred over Skill Speed (except perhaps after having just reached an optimal plateau both for HSs, oGCD safeties, and CD sync). In turn, the high Skill Speed devalues stance-dancing, during which time Skill Speed has no effect on auto-attacks. The number tuning just feels absolutely off if there was ever supposed to be an element of choice involved. (And if there's not, then why bother it at all?)

The TP drain for Bards is ridiculously low, but the "TP is a non-issue" bit is pretty much limited to them, Machinists, and Ninjas. It's not a universal. The other physicals are still pigeon-holed into relatively low SS due to, again, its scaling, its lack of a proportionate animation speed, and its lack of proportionate TP recovery.

tl;dr: as a generalization, one build thereof being workable =/= a fulfilling take on a class

Originally Posted by Belhi

At the cost of static dps? They are going to have to balance it and it means coming at a cost.

Seriously both MCH and BRD are quite capable of stance dancing when they have to move if they really want to. Its not like it completely removes the ability to dps while moving.

Heavy Shot + auto-attacks are some 233 potency per second, while Feint spamming for your only guaranteed mobile dps while in the 15-second lock-in period on WM/GB is only 156 potency. It may not completely remove the ability to dps while moving, but it is punishing, and the shift between the two could be a whole lot smoother.

(Again, I prefer the slightly more sniper-y, burstier, prepped movement feel of WM over the freer but blander ARR iteration of Bard, but I do wish WM could have been introduced more gradually, stemming from core Archer mechanics, and worked more fluidly.)