Thread: Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

Good bards know how to move without losing autos, so those weren't good bards.

Nothing wrong with WM, the cast times are barely noticeable.

Originally Posted by GMERC

They should, though. What's next, are you going to try and justify playing DRK with Darkside turned off?

Wanderer's Minuet is a lot more fun than Bard was prior, it doesn't need to go anywhere.

I am actually just curious, I get that BARb is simple from 1-50 but do you think its more fun b/c they slap a cast bar on it - take out all the new flashy abilities out the equation. So to you and others adding a cast bar makes Barb more fun and challenging? The cast bar doesn't even make sense. The animation is the BArb charging/aiming an arrow then why does she need it for Iron Jaws - where the BARD just waves its fingers and arm around!?

Originally Posted by AzraelX

I am actually just curious, I get that BARb is simple from 1-50 but do you think its more fun b/c they slap a cast bar on it - take out all the new flashy abilities out the equation. So to you and others adding a cast bar makes Barb more fun and challenging? The cast bar doesn't even make sense. The animation is the BArb charging/aiming an arrow then why does she need it for Iron Jaws - where the BARD just waves its fingers and arm around!?

Yes, Bard is more fun to play at 52, even before it gets any actual toys. Empyreal Arrow just cements that, and more BRD abilities going forward should be given a similar behavior, like Iron Jaws.

Also if Iron Jaws' animation is somehow perplexing to you in a game with literal magic in it (on a job that has some magical affinity, no less), I think you're just looking for things to complain about.

I prefer WM play. I wish it was acquired more smoothly, in multiple trait steps starting in Archer itself, and that stance-dancing was less punishing (15s locked into WM, or GB for that matter, is simply too long), but overall it feels more entertaining than Bard did for me when I mained it through ARR. Not hugely, but an improvement nonetheless.

Also, Det and SS balancing when?

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Also, Det and SS balancing when?

Useless non-stats like Determination (and auto-attacks, for that matter) should be removed outright, but that's a different discussion topic entirely.

Originally Posted by alimdia

Good bards know how to move without losing autos, so those weren't good bards.

Did you even lose autos while moving with 2.x BRD? Or was that only if you moved while facing away from your target?

Originally Posted by GMERC

Useless non-stats like Determination (and auto-attacks, for that matter) should be removed outright, but that's a different discussion topic entirely.

I just want all three to have an equal effect on AAs and at least a near-equal effect on oGCDs, so that stance-dancing doesn't basically go extinct past a certain SS value. For every physical class, Crit outweighs the others by far more than its RNG could ever warrant. Why, at an optimal rotational plateau, should Det and SS be so outpaced by Crit on anyone but a Bard? And why should their values be so changed by what stance you're in?

To be honest, though, we could also just remove Determination, and no one would be the wiser, as unlike Crit, which can still be felt in gameplay by all of three jobs, the value of Determination is in the numbers over time only.

I wish SSpeed increased TP/MP native regen.

Crits damage ceiling could have been tied to DET opposed to more Crit, making a balance of the two more important than just Crit > Det.

I wish WM felt more like a song and less like a stance though. Remaining stationary is a fine mechanic for it, but like if the animation and sound effect was a head-banging power chord on the harp which is spammed like meditation or dark arts. swoooon