Thread: Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

Originally Posted by Ilan

Then turn WM off and you have your lulz back and your party has lulz too after they kicked you because you didn't do dmg.

Thus providing a very convincing reason why there should be a physical DPS without cast bars.

I would argue further, but you're not worth the letters. Have fun!

Originally Posted by Ilan

Then turn WM off and you have your lulz back and your party has lulz too after they kicked you because you didn't do dmg. But at least you jumped around like a flee.

We just love hyperbole. Non-WM bards do not necessarily want to "jump around like flees". Outside of savage content, Non-WM bards do not typically get kicked from parties, and even when they do, it is not for lack of damage from not using WM. It is either because they do poor damage regardless (found with players of any job), or because somebody erroneously thinks that non-WM means "no damage" and kicks on ill-informed principle. You have just as much reason to kick players for not using food or pots in non-savage content.

You may be curious to find that your bursty Emp Arrow numbers over a dungeon run will be replaced by similar numbers from sustained autoattack if you try with and without WM.

Originally Posted by Slevin_Impudicus

Outside of savage content, Non-WM bards do not typically get kicked from parties,

They should, though. What's next, are you going to try and justify playing DRK with Darkside turned off?

Wanderer's Minuet is a lot more fun than Bard was prior, it doesn't need to go anywhere.

Originally Posted by GMERC

They should, though. What's next, are you going to try and justify playing DRK with Darkside turned off?

Wanderer's Minuet is a lot more fun than Bard was prior, it doesn't need to go anywhere.

I am actually just curious, I get that BARb is simple from 1-50 but do you think its more fun b/c they slap a cast bar on it - take out all the new flashy abilities out the equation. So to you and others adding a cast bar makes Barb more fun and challenging? The cast bar doesn't even make sense. The animation is the BArb charging/aiming an arrow then why does she need it for Iron Jaws - where the BARD just waves its fingers and arm around!?

Originally Posted by AzraelX

I am actually just curious, I get that BARb is simple from 1-50 but do you think its more fun b/c they slap a cast bar on it - take out all the new flashy abilities out the equation. So to you and others adding a cast bar makes Barb more fun and challenging? The cast bar doesn't even make sense. The animation is the BArb charging/aiming an arrow then why does she need it for Iron Jaws - where the BARD just waves its fingers and arm around!?

Yes, Bard is more fun to play at 52, even before it gets any actual toys. Empyreal Arrow just cements that, and more BRD abilities going forward should be given a similar behavior, like Iron Jaws.

Also if Iron Jaws' animation is somehow perplexing to you in a game with literal magic in it (on a job that has some magical affinity, no less), I think you're just looking for things to complain about.