Thread: Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Nah I'm not confusing the two stance at all. I also don't agree with the your comparison to an Ice Mage as DD's (Damage Dealers) main role is to kill the things. The tanks main role is to hold hate. Also while I'm at it the healers main role is to keep people alive. Anything beyond that is secondary and completely optional. It's great to have those players who go above and beyond but not doing so hardly makes them a waste of a party slot.

But what's the difference? Even an Ice Mage is still doing damage. They don't have to do more damage than that if they don't want to!! It's their sub!!! There is no difference between a DPS who isn't trying to do their job at all and a Tank who mashes their enmity combo and nothing else, a Bard who never sings, or a Healer with 0 total damage over the course of a fight.

This has definitely strayed away from mentioning Wanderer's Minuet (though it is still very much about it).

Originally Posted by GMERC

But what's the difference? Even an Ice Mage is still doing damage. They don't have to do more damage than that if they don't want to!! It's their sub!!! There is no difference between a DPS who isn't trying to do their job and a Tank who mashes their enmity combo and nothing else or a Healer with 0 total damage over the course of a fight.

If they're with 3/7/23 other people, it's also their subs, so by that logic they should be free to kick you for doing intentionally poor dps.


Let's be quite clear here: roles are not primary professions, nor the limit to your responsibilities. They are specializations that make you the best fit for certain secondary functions which improve upon the raid's primary function — to clear the encounter, generally in as little time as possible.

Originally Posted by alimdia

If you talk to SMNs they will say SMN has good DPS, if you talk to MCHs they will say MCH has good DPS, if you talk to NINs they will say NIN has good dps, and so goes the list.

Then who is the lowest DPS? Could you rank all the DPS classes?

Except I am not basing this off of opinion. I'm basing it off of facts and data. Take a look at fflogs since Gordias. BRDs are not the worst DPS class. This tier, most speed-run comps that are optimized for DPS bring BRD over MNK, BLM and SMN. If you want 2.X data, take a look at the FCoB leader board from DnT. BRDs were pretty much on par with the other DPS jobs BEFORE factoring in foes.