Thread: Dev Request for 4.0: Get rid of cast bars on phy range

Totally agree 100 percent with you op.

Originally Posted by GMERC

They should, though. What's next, are you going to try and justify playing DRK with Darkside turned off?

Wanderer's Minuet is a lot more fun than Bard was prior, it doesn't need to go anywhere.

I see DRKs playing without dark side on all the time and they do their job just fine. Doesn't bother me at all as long as the baddies stay on them so I can do my thing.

Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

I see DRKs playing without dark side on all the time and they do their job just fine. Doesn't bother me at all as long as the baddies stay on them so I can do my thing.

You should really be teaching them to play their jobs correctly, not encouraging it because it's "not affecting you". Darkside isn't optional, and neither is Wanderer's Minuet. Choosing not to use either out of some kind of (stupid) principle is choosing to be a waste of a party slot.

Originally Posted by GMERC

You should really be teaching them to play their jobs correctly.

i will tell people how they should be playing the moment we start getting paid to play this game.

Originally Posted by GMERC

You should really be teaching them to play their jobs correctly, not encouraging it because it's "not affecting you". Darkside isn't optional, and neither is Wanderer's Minuet. Choosing not to use either out of some kind of (stupid) principle is choosing to be a waste of a party slot.

As long as they are holding hate they are doing their job in my book. Opinions and standards differ greatly apparently. May I suggest that yours are perhaps a little too high? Regarding DF content anyway. On topic I agree completely with the OP.

Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

As long as they are holding hate they are doing their job in my book. Opinions and standards differ greatly apparently. May I suggest that yours are perhaps a little too high? Regarding DF content anyway. On topic I agree completely with the OP.

Not using Darkside is like playing Ice Mage. You can break 1000 dps without casting a single Fire spell, but it doesn't mean it's remotely acceptable to do so. Even you must be able to understand that such a thing is unacceptable. Unless you've been confused this whole time and are mixing up Darkside with Grit?

Originally Posted by GMERC

Not using Darkside is like playing Ice Mage. You can break 1000 dps without casting a single Fire spell, but it doesn't mean it's remotely acceptable to do so. Even you must be able to understand that such a thing is unacceptable. Unless you've been confused this whole time and are mixing up Darkside with Grit?

Nah I'm not confusing the two stance at all. I also don't agree with the your comparison to an Ice Mage as DD's (Damage Dealers) main role is to kill the things. The tanks main role is to hold hate. Also while I'm at it the healers main role is to keep people alive. Anything beyond that is secondary and completely optional. It's great to have those players who go above and beyond but not doing so hardly makes them a waste of a party slot.

Originally Posted by DaikiKiyoshi

Nah I'm not confusing the two stance at all. I also don't agree with the your comparison to an Ice Mage as DD's (Damage Dealers) main role is to kill the things. The tanks main role is to hold hate. Also while I'm at it the healers main role is to keep people alive. Anything beyond that is secondary and completely optional. It's great to have those players who go above and beyond but not doing so hardly makes them a waste of a party slot.

But what's the difference? Even an Ice Mage is still doing damage. They don't have to do more damage than that if they don't want to!! It's their sub!!! There is no difference between a DPS who isn't trying to do their job at all and a Tank who mashes their enmity combo and nothing else, a Bard who never sings, or a Healer with 0 total damage over the course of a fight.

This has definitely strayed away from mentioning Wanderer's Minuet (though it is still very much about it).

Originally Posted by GMERC

But what's the difference? Even an Ice Mage is still doing damage. They don't have to do more damage than that if they don't want to!! It's their sub!!! There is no difference between a DPS who isn't trying to do their job and a Tank who mashes their enmity combo and nothing else or a Healer with 0 total damage over the course of a fight.

If they're with 3/7/23 other people, it's also their subs, so by that logic they should be free to kick you for doing intentionally poor dps.


Let's be quite clear here: roles are not primary professions, nor the limit to your responsibilities. They are specializations that make you the best fit for certain secondary functions which improve upon the raid's primary function — to clear the encounter, generally in as little time as possible.