Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

[ReplicaX]

The thing is

I'm not trying to change your mind. However, you need to understand the other side of things and this post isn't focused solely on you.

This is strictly talking about Artifact Armors only as far as my opinion.

A lot of these armor sets are based off the classic franchise designs and are iconic to the FF Series and their respective jobs, with 30 years of history. Thread has talk of freedom and choice, there is also the other side of it for the Company: Creative and Artistic Freedom. As well as Creative Control.

If SE decides to continue to lock Artifact Armors and you dislike it and feel it impacts your glamour options. Then honestly you don't value their Creative and Artistic Freedom to preserve the image of their assets.

I'm not against opening up more armors to other jobs/classes. However, you still need to value the Company's freedoms as well.

Many of the examples given in this thread of other MMO's glamour systems, don't have a 30 Year history behind them. Other established MMO's also have rules similar to XIV's system.

[Belhi]

I am pretty open to glamour desires, though There is some things I would prefer not to see. NIN in full Wolfram would look really stupid.

Where I draw the line is on specifically thematic sets. These sets act as defining points for the themes, concepts and styles that define the different cultures and histories in the world and give them form and identity. If you just throw things like that to the wind it erodes that sense of identity and in turn kills the richness of the world. I very much take issue with that.

So no, your Nymian scholar can't use boots designed by the Allag to help Summoners manifest and control primal manifestations.

[ErryK]

Yes buuuuut, with how glamours work in this game lore wise. It doesn't actually trample on the lore, glamours are merely an illusion spell. Not us actually putting the gear on. We make one piece of gear look like another piece of gear, that does not mean it comes with all the lore behind it. We are just borrowing that robe's appearance, not its blessings and enchantments.

I don't think any parties involved (eg. Tonberries of Nym, Padjali, etc.) would appreciate having their image tarnished by another group wearing it. Let's also ignore the clipping issues it would have with, say, Dragoon, Ninja, Monk especially...

It's just a can of worms that SE would be better off not opening because it's too much effort for too little gain. AF gear should stay AF gear, everything else is fair game (yes, even the metal wall that is the i90 Heavy Allagan set).

[Lufir]

I don't like the idea of any job being able to glamour to share tank specific, caster specific, etc. aesthetics. That's almost more ridiculous than bikini glamours.

[Gemina]

Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome. Currently those issues involve inflated armories, and not being able to give multiple jobs of a particular role different looks when unique pieces are the optimal build for the current level.

Again though, I am not opposed to new items being released that are more flexible with how many classes can equip them.

[bswpayton]

I'm not trying to change your mind. However, you need to understand the other side of things and this post isn't focused solely on you.

While I agree with you on a history but because this is an mmo and to stay competitive in the market their have been alot of accommodations that has steered away form traditional ff games. The new coming jump potion is one of them I couldnt imagine them doing that to their new release ff 15, but they will with game because its an mmo.

Ive even heard that traditionally drk was a dps, but in our game they are a tank so if they can make huge changes like this I dont see why they cant do the same thing with gear. Because of the uniqueness of doing every class on one this game should have one of the best glamour systems compared to any game because you have 13 different jobs you can draw glam from and it would be nice to mix and match all of them together as we desired, the devs have shown that lore takes a back seat to money when they implemented the new potion we are gettin, Im fine with that this is a business first.

Others dont seem to be , but because of the lore step back I dont see why gear would even be a factor at this point, if they can change a whole job and change it from a dps to a tank, but a healer cant wear an Armour chest piece?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome. Currently those issues involve inflated armories, and not being able to give multiple jobs of a particular role different looks when unique pieces are the optimal build for the current level.

Actually, I would very much fancy they do away with the current glamour system and adopt a wardrobe feature similar to most other MMOs. I'll admit, the removal of glamour crystal levels makes things far less cumbersome, but it's still an archaic system overall.

Anywho, the point was illustrate their very stance is immediately contradicted by this allowance. I do agree this needn't be first on the list of glamour improvement. That was even my initial post in this thread: let us have different glamours for each job even if they share gear. That doesn't mean this isn't worth adding to list. If they're going to allow bikinis, then just let us glamour whatever. The artifact gear? Sure. That is iconic to the jobs from Final Fantasy's history. I have no real issue with it staying unique. Everything else ought to be fair game.

[Windseraph]

Glamour restrictions should be lifted for everything BUT Job attire, I wouldn't want to see a Black Mage wearing a White Mage robe for instance, that's just ridiculous.

[Gemina]

The thing is if you level the job you are that job regardless, if what your sayin is true then dont let us level everything on one character then and nobody wants that. How can you say lets play every job on one but then restrict the gear. What if I simply wana play mypalidan as a whm with a sword in my head its called player freedom and SE gave us that when they made it to where you could put every job on one character. They dont explain it so why cant we use our gear to explain it ourselves if we chose to do so. What is the point in restricting the gear there is none, you have the choice to play every job as one so why act like that choice doesnt exist if a ninja wants to wear a whm robe and that person leveled whm then its nothing wrong with them wearing it.

Incorrect. You are that job only when you equip the soulstone and/or the weapon associated with that job. What you're saying would be true if you were all the jobs you leveled simultaneously. Perhaps you are in your mind, which is just fine. However, the game does not recognize this.

The gear is not restricted to you. If you want to wear it, you have to level the respective job to the appropriate level to do so. That is the restriction, and we don't hear a bunch people saying, "Hey! I'm a warrior. What's with this level restriction? I should be able to wear everything available for a warrior." You are essentially saying the same thing with wanting to remove role restrictions on gear.

This freedom thing just isn't a good argument, because this is SE's game, and they too have the freedom to create the rules and restrictions as they see fit. I see this as a case where you give an inch, and a mile is taken. SE released, and is still releasing tons of lv1 glamours that have no restrictions other than having to complete the quest that allows you to glam. And now we have a lot of players who want role restrictions removed from gear so they too can be used for glams.