Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Naunet]

If nothing else is changed about our glamour system, lifting the class/job restrictions would go a LONG way in making it more fun.

So, short story time! On my main, I've been leveling every available job. I started out by leveling everything 1-50 largely simultaneously (working in 5 level increments). Now I've begun the slow journey to moving things toward 60. As I go, I've been collecting gear I like the appearance of for use in future glamours. I'm sure you can imagine my inventory nightmare, considering I've been doing this for every single job, but that's not precisely what this thread is about. xD

I hit 60 on SMN/SCH most recently, and one thing I've been doing to level are the Ishgard hunt dailies, so I've been buying all my jobs the artifact gear with centurio seals. To be honest, although SCH is fun to play, I absolutely hate its artifact aesthetic, and the level 60 set is no exception - save for the cloak. I thought "Oh, let's see what I've got after all these levels and make this outfit better." I soon came to realize, however, that despite my armoury and retainers being chock full of gear (seriously, I'm not sure how I'm ever going to fit it all, once I finish leveling everything, and work toward getting other desired armor sets), I had very few options that were allowed for any one job. What I REALLY want to turn into an outfit is this:



That's the level 60 SCH artifact robe, Summoner's Thighboots and Waistcoat, Halonic Priest's Gloves, and Plundered Goggles. I think it looks really cool, but I think you can already see the issue here.

The excuses we've seen in the past for the class/job restrictions have revolved largely around keeping jobs to certain "looks", but honestly I think we can pretty much dismiss that excuse considering you can glamour swimsuits and all those other level 1 armors that have no particular role in mind. I feel that if I've earned the gear - through quest, instance drop, crafting, purchasing off the AH, etc - then I should be free to use it how I wish. Think of how many different outfits would suddenly open up to possibility if the restriction were lifted! As it is now, the restrictions are a huge hamper on creativity, and you end up with a situation where many people look very similar - because our toolbox is extremely limited.

Let the creativity flow, SE! (Oh, and please implement a Glamour Wardrobe~)

[GMERC]

Please no.

[StarRosie]

I second this idea! Mostly cause I really like the BRD artifact pants cause they have that half leg and that's really cool and I could come up with some really cool Glams for tons of jobs off that one pair of pants!



Seriously these things even feel like they would fit MCH more then BRD, but that's my opinion. Overall, lifting the class/job restrictions on Glamours would really allow for some crazy cool outfits to be made and let us overall make something that is unique to us and conveys us as best as possible.

Please no.

No offense but, stuff like this does not contribute to the conversation at all. So if all you have to say is "No." then maybe let others discuss, or try to convey your "No." in a more detailed argument. Cause this adds nothing to the conversation.

[GMERC]

No offense but, stuff like this does not contribute to the conversation at all. So if all you have to say is "No." then maybe let others discuss. Or try to convey your "No." in a more detailed argument. Cause this adds nothing to the conversation.

Jobs should be able to have gear that is exclusive to them. We don't need Dark Knights wearing the White Mage robe. Etc. It robs the jobs of their unique identity, and "w-well you can glamour other unfitting stuff already so it should be okay!!" isn't a good enough argument for breaking down this barrier.

[StarRosie]

Jobs should be able to have gear that is exclusive to them. We don't need Dark Knights wearing the White Mage robe. Etc. It robs the jobs of their unique identity, and "w-well you can glamour other unfitting stuff already so it should be okay!!" isn't a good enough argument for breaking down this barrier.

I agree with that to a point, while yes the idea of a DRK wearing WHM robes is silly, the current glamour system allows for equally silly things. Keep in mind, I agree with your overall point but from a standpoint of just allowing creativity, I agree with lifting the restrictions. At least to a degree. Things like the arachane tops and other more generic pieces of clothing that for some reason have class restrictions, shouldn't have those class restrictions.

Same for some dungeon sets that are essentially the same thing just recolored several times over, the Woad sets from Sohm Al for example. Having glamour restrictions on these is just silly. Least in my opinion. Things however like the Dark Knight's armor? Yeah, that should remain exclusive to them. But then you have stuff that just overlaps to degrees, like in my opinion the BRD artifact set at 60 is just a mishmash of several different things we've seen plenty of with a couple flares added to it. The most unique thing to that set is the pants.

This is a tricky question of where do you draw the line? And just drawing it in such a narrow way, stiffles creativity. I'm not gonna have my monk fighting in the BLM robes, that's silly. But if I had those BRD pants...I could create something very fitting of monk in a street brawler kind of way. Again, lets work to let jobs keep their identity but overall...lets not limit the creativity of everyone either.

[Lilseph]

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That's how I also partially agree with the glamour reestrictions removal. Keeping them to these sets (tomestones, raids, AF) that give the job their identity is one thing, but dungeons drops look kinda generic and should be available for all jobs. They are also nice looking pieces.

[AlphaFox]

That's how I also partially agree with the glamour reestrictions removal. Keeping them to these sets (tomestones, raids, AF) that give the job their identity is one thing, but dungeons drops look kinda generic and should be available for all jobs. They are also nice looking pieces.

That, plus we end up getting recolored versions later for different classes in dungeons.

[Tatiana]

I want glamour restrictions removed from jobs of the same category (like all casters can use caster glamours)

When it comes to cross-category I can understand why they didn't do that initially, but ultimately yeah I would love that. I don't really see why not seeing as we've got mog-station outfits that can make any class look the same so that renders the argument about "lancers should look like lancers, and black mages like black mages" moot because we're well beyond that point. Plus it's an MMORPG, and the more options you have for vanity the better the game is for it.

[Celef]

Jobs should be able to have gear that is exclusive to them. We don't need Dark Knights wearing the White Mage robe. Etc. It robs the jobs of their unique identity, and "w-well you can glamour other unfitting stuff already so it should be okay!!" isn't a good enough argument for breaking down this barrier.

And what is the difference between that and having a DRK roaming in Iddleshire dressed in bikini like the SCH right behind him ?

Lore.

You don't wear a McDonalds uniform to officiate a wedding at a chapel, do you? (bad analogy, same situation though)

I'de say it depends on the wedding just for the sake of contradiction (and because i'm bored ^^")

[Ramath]

Jobs should be able to have gear that is exclusive to them. We don't need Dark Knights wearing the White Mage robe. Etc. It robs the jobs of their unique identity, and "w-well you can glamour other unfitting stuff already so it should be okay!!" isn't a good enough argument for breaking down this barrier.

"Unique Identity" isn't a good argument for keeping this barrier, either. Aside from iconic Artifact gear (which I think everyone can reasonably agree should be exempt from this request), nothing in this game identifies a job. I made a thread like this a couple years ago proving and outlining the complete contractions and hypocrisy of the current system. YoshiP said, early after the launch of 2.0, that their intention was to help players identify the jobs and felt that it might be too confusing to players if gear appearance wasn't restricted. Yet, we get images like this:

How, pray tell, does this make more sense and reduce confusion?

And yet, we get mage skirts for "Disciples of Magic" skirts at level 15 for all mages, DPS and Healers alike, only to have the exact same skirt model restricted to Healers, only, in the low level PvP gear. Anyone can wear a pig costume and be considered non-confusing, but a smn can't wear the same skirt as a sch without confusing everyone...

On top of that, we have the ability to identify jobs for what they are via our UI options, completely independent of any glamours people may or may not be wearing.