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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Then you get to wear something generic that every job can, like a shirt and pants.

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    But I am a whm, and a drk, I want my character to reflect this I want to be able to put on heavy Armour on my whm because they are both, weapons are the only thing that should matter if I have a staff on my back you know I'm a whm so why does my gear matter. The least they can do is make things fair they work from the top down , tanks can wear tank gear, discipline of war gear, and anything clothe. Healers are restricted to just all classes gear, I want my healer to be able to wear heavy gear if I chose to glam it over. And the fact that a scholar cant wear summoner gear is just really stupid to me they branch from the same class.

    All these plot holes of not connecting the jobs together explaining it with your an adventurer ,or your the warrior of light, you can do all things but you must play in a way like you cant do it that makes zero sense. If someone wants to only play one class then let them wear that exclusive gear. But if someone wants to tie 8 jobs together for glam or a certain rp then why not, you cant not restrict job choices but then want to restrict gear that makes zero sense at all. Even less sense when you got people running around in pig suits, and wearing chocobo heads once they allowed that they should of just caved in on the glamour system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
    This is very simple to answer.
    The system is simply not designed for this. The game still thinks you are wearing that item somewhere.
    It is also the reason why you cannot glamour items that are above your level while you still have the correct job.
    To do what you want will probably require a whole revision of the glamour system, if not the whole armor system of the game.
    This is the correct answer. Throw all those lore/feel reasons to the side, because they all take a back seat to this. It's not as easy as flipping a switch, to lift the restrictions as you think, you would need to lift the original gear restriction for the class glamour restriction on be removed. The main culprit and the main reason SE won't lift, is because to let glamour go past gear restrictions it would take redoing the entire system. Which they currently do not want to devote the resources to doing that.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom View Post
    This is the correct answer. Throw all those lore/feel reasons to the side, because they all take a back seat to this. .
    But they should tho , everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft or gather, but I'm pretty sure almost at least 75 percent of the players in the game use glamour. Glamour is one of the most important things in a game, and with this games unique system they should open the gates to more fun with the system.

    Remove job restrictive gear, remove the level 50 quest to even do glam, make prisms even more simple than they are now, and also enough with the shared gear. Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naunet View Post
    *shrug* I don't see why not. I just want folk to be able to wear what they want when they want it. There's no lore in the game that says it's physically impossible to glamour boots from an old summoner outfit onto some boots labeled scholar. Heck, there's no lore that I can find at all surrounding the level 60 artifact armors. The job restriction is pure gameplay, not lore.
    It is the glamour system that needs rework not the lore.

    But really... I don't want to see a healer wearing full heavy armor holding a stick spamming heals with their glorious actions xD!
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    if we are gonna allow healers to have heavy armor, then i want the HP and defense that heavy armor gives rather than pretending we are wearing it. because video games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    But they should tho
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental task that would be. I work in software QA and I can tell you, a rework of that size will wreak HAVOC on Everything. Contrary to popular belief, bugs are not simple and they are created by stupid things and they are rarely connected to what they are effecting. So a change to the glamour and armoury system, could create a huge bug in the currency system, or the duty finder. You can't just gut a system, perform a massive overhaul and reinsert said system and expect things to go smoothly. A rework of that size would require months of QA on top of the months of programming and editing, and even then, they wouldn't pick up everything. So possible game breaker bugs could sneak in. Again, it is not that simple to just rework the system.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    if we are gonna allow healers to have heavy armor, then i want the HP and defense that heavy armor gives rather than pretending we are wearing it. because video games.
    Its called glamour a paste over thats like sayin you want the level one stats that go with a level one shirt that you glam over, thats really not even an argument at all. And you can think of it as if you are a tank your healer just releases their hp to help others to go into its healer form, because the in this game you have the option to be a tank and a healer on one character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
    Even if they decided to take on such a huge time and resource extensive task to rebuilt the armory and glamour systems. I still see them preserving Artifact Armors for creative, historical, and iconic reasons. Especially when it is regarding a 30 year old flagship franchise.
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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarRosie View Post
    But take a second to realize how much of a monumental task that would be. I work in software QA and I can tell you, a rework of that size will wreak HAVOC on Everything. Contrary to popular belief, bugs are not simple and they are created by stupid things and they are rarely connected to what they are effecting. So a change to the glamour and armoury system, could create a huge bug in the currency system, or the duty finder. You can't just gut a system, perform a massive overhaul and reinsert said system and expect things to go smoothly. A rework of that size would require months of QA on top of the months of programming and editing, and even then, they wouldn't pick up everything. So possible game breaker bugs could sneak in. Again, it is not that simple to just rework the system.
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    But they should tho , everyone doesnt raid, everyone doesnt craft or gather, but I'm pretty sure almost at least 75 percent of the players in the game use glamour. Glamour is one of the most important things in a game, and with this games unique system they should open the gates to more fun with the system.

    Remove job restrictive gear, remove the level 50 quest to even do glam, make prisms even more simple than they are now, and also enough with the shared gear. Why should all your healers and tanks look exactly alike, its stupid buy into your all on one build the game has made, stop separating things, you are still one character the only thing that should be different is job quest, main weapon , abilities and exclusive mounts everything else like gear should be a free for all.
    You are making grand delusions here. I would like to see your stats for that first line because i doubt glamour is nearly as important as you make it out to be.
    No developer would want to even consider remaking the whole armor system (which effects a lot more then glamours) if that is what it takes to get your freedom.

    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    But games X Y and Z could do it, so this game should be able to as well! It's gonna be 2017!
    What x y and z games actually?
    As far as i know all games actually have this restriction, the only which i am not sure about is GW2.
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    Last edited by Assirra; 12-30-2016 at 04:55 AM.

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