Please lift glamour restrictions!

[DaikiKiyoshi]

Why not have this as a compromise? As far as AF gear goes unlock it to be glamoured to anything as long as the person meets the level requirements on the job the AF gear belongs to and the job they are glamouring to. And only unlock the level 50 AF gear, not future AF gear. For example WHM can glamour level 50 DRG armor to themselves as long as they meet the level reqs on both jobs.

[Miste]

See, I was agreeing with you, until you started making yourself out as a victimized, abused class.

It was an accurate example of what OP and others are trying to do based on what they have said throughout this thread. It was an example, nothing more. If you want to interpret it as us being victimized well that is you that said that not me.

Yes we want it all and there is nothing wrong with that

This quote ^ pretty accurately describes why I used my example.

The compromise would leave people with 90% of the gear in the game open for them to glamour on any job while leaving the small 10% for the lore. I am not the one who labeled us victims, you just did O.o so I do apologize if you felt I did that, but I felt it was an apt example to explain the massive difference in percentage that we want to keep locked. You definitely did not interpret it correctly.

I think you are misunderstanding me, I agree with her overall message. I agree to keep the AF gear locked. I also noted that yeah, only about 3 or 4 jobs have gear that uphold their overall iconic appearance and YES, that is concerning. But I do not agree with this sense of playing the victim cause honestly, reading this thread again, I see WAAAAY more "THE LORE! PRESERVE THE LORE!" people brow beating, shouting down and outright INSULTING those who want the restrictions lifted. So when you sit there, shouting people down AND try to play the victim, you lose me.

Thank you for the support and understanding where I am coming from, but I never shouted down to anyone or insulted anyone so I am not sure why this is the reason I should not have posted an example to try to explain in a simpler more understanding way what is going on.

Why is the term grab or taking anything away even being discussed tho nobody is asking to take a single thing nobody on this thread said we want this and lets not let anyone else have it. I think that would more so be the opposition to the ops post, the basis of what you guys have been saying is that you don't want other jobs wearing gear that doesn't belong to them for lore reasons.

Its not an argument on whether we would get something that you guys would no longer have, and thats whats just been getting me on this whole thread. If you don't want other jobs wearing other jobs gear pieces then fine but don't act like anyone here that disagrees with you is actually trying to take something from you. IF they lifted the restrictions you would still have the same traditional gear pieces that you are all up in arms about the only difference is , would be that mentally for you they would lose their uniqueness even then that is still not taking from one and giving to the other if you still had it at the end of the day in the game.

Read what I said above about the example I chose to use. "it was an apt example to explain the massive difference in percentage that we want to keep locked."

IF they lifted the restrictions on ALL gear you therefore have the gear 100% your way, so yes if that happens you did take something away from us: unique job specific locked gear no longer exists. When something no longer exists because people decided to remove it? They took it away. I think you've been arguing in this thread this whole time without understanding this....

You keep thinking that removing restrictions takes nothing away from people who are against it because you cannot understand our point of view at all or you just refuse to.

[StarRosie]

It was an accurate example of what OP and others are trying to do based on what they have said throughout this thread. It was an example, nothing more. If you want to interpret it as us being victimized well that is you that said that not me.

The compromise would leave people with 90% of the gear in the game open for them to glamour on any job while leaving the small 10% for the lore. I am not the one who labeled us victims, you just did O.o so I do apologize if you felt I did that, but I felt it was an apt example to explain the massive difference in percentage that we want to keep locked. You definitely did not interpret it correctly.

Mmm, I'm sorry if I came off harsh, I absolutely understood what you were going for but the wording was poor imo, does that take away from the overall message? No. You are correct, the gap is rather large and I do agree with you that the job armor and AF gear should be locked to their jobs. But the example given does come off as playing the victim, which isn't necessary, you could have easily made the pie example without the wording that makes it sound like OP and others are trying to forcibly take the pie piece from you like bullies.

That is my only gripe, everything else I get and understand, I just don't agree with that part of the wording. But anyways, we'd just sorta be running around in circles on this, so just understand, I agree with you and again, I'm sorry if I came off harsh.

Yes we want it all and there is nothing wrong with that

Though yeah, this is pretty bad. It's quite...selfish really.

Thank you for the support and understanding where I am coming from, but I never shouted down to anyone or insulted anyone so I am not sure why this is the reason I should not have posted an example to try to explain in a simpler more understanding way what is going on.

I am not saying you specifically are shouting people down, however the camp who wants to keep the job gear and AF gear locked, much like you and I, have been throughout this thread. You've been pleasant but I was making a point that the example given doesn't mesh well when you have others in this thread who are making the same point by more rude and harsh means. I guess my wording was poor there, apologies.

Do have a lovely day.

[Narthice]

They are not asking for cross class glamours to be mandatory though. Just unlocking them so anyone can wear what they feel like into what they feel like as long as they meet the required level on that class. Just freedom and flexibility. You can keep your DRK as is, no one will force you to glamour anything else onto it, that is your choice.

They have leveled said class enough to earn the gear, it should be fine to make an illusion of said gear onto a different gear.

By the way why are we allowed to dye this gear? the i90s


not my image (google search)

this must be sacrilege I guess.

[bswpayton]

It was an accurate example of what OP and others are trying to do based on what they have said throughout this thread. It was an to.

Its not that I refuse to see , its just to small of an issue for me to tell someone that they cant do something they want with gear they earned, like I mention I only like the paladin crown and more than likely even if said restriction was lifted in my case because u cant dye it, Id prob not even use a whole lot of it.

But I know people have explain the job system and everything else on here but if someone levels the job on their character who am I to say they cant wear the gear that they like. Other games have these restrictions because other games don't allow this type of job system. So to me even if you are a different job at the time you are still that job in your classes log so you are in fact all of the ones you have leveled, so therefore I don't believe there should be a lock out on any gear. Like others have said every one isn't a lore scientist and everyone hasn't followed the series sense it started so I just cant get behind bringing lore from other games into this argument just like people have dismissed my jump potion analogy (on how the devs basically blamed lore for their jump potion).

It just really doesn't make sense to be able to play every single job on one character, and not even be able to glamour the gear otherwise the only reason we can level things on one is basically for the sake of convenience with really no meaning at all. So to me sharing gear would make more sense logically from this games prospective for connecting them all together because the story doesnt do it for you nor does anything else in the game. So that's why I believe in freedom to wear any gear ( at least glam wise) on any job because of the major plot holes of not explaining how these jobs are connected in anyway other than it makes it easier for the player.

[StarRosie]

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I know it's a rather...cheesy argument, but it is sort of a hallowed ground thing. The job gear is meant to invoke iconic images of FF's famous jobs and allowing a job that isn't that job to wear the other job's gear, is sorta like pissing on a grave. It's disrespectful, not just to the jobs themselves, but to the people who put the blood, sweat and tears into making those iconic jobs and their appearance, once you lift that restriction, you might as well be giving the middle finger to those designers (Some of which are actually dead I think.) I mean, yes there are some pieces of gear that really don't invoke their job's appearance but stuff like the WHM robes and DRG armor...that's sacred and yeah, I Think being able to dye the WHM robes is kinda...bad but that's a nitpick from me.

[Miste]

I am not saying you specifically are shouting people down, however the camp who wants to keep the job gear and AF gear locked, much like you and I, have been throughout this thread, you've been pleasant but I was making a point that the example given doesn't mesh well when you have others in this thread who are making the same point by shouting people down.

Some people do that yeah I understand. No worries though you weren't harsh at all I just wanted to let you know it wasn't the intent of my example. I just wanted to clearly show the huge difference between the locked and unlocked gear in the compromise. I also was just confused since you said that stuff about shouting down and insulting when I don't do that. So just misunderstanding np.

It just shocked the heck out of me that someone could write "yes we want it all and there is nothing wrong with that". Which was the main reason for my example. Still shocked about it actually lol smh

[StarRosie]

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Yup, I get ya now, misunderstandings and all that happen. Trust me, there has been some stuff said in this thread that have shocked me too. Anyways, boarding on off topic. Do have a lovely day!

[Narthice]

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I see your point Rosie. I don't know to me they are both a bit similar problems. Just one is OK and the other seemingly would destroy the game franchise. I think It will be fine. But that's just my two cents

[bswpayton]

I know it's a rather...cheesy argument, but it is sort of a hallowed ground thing. The job gear is meant to invoke iconic images of FF's famous .

When I said what I said I didn't mean it to disrespect anyone , like I mention earlier in the thread I played 7 through 10 I don't recall such a system as the one currently that's in this one for jobs. I had stepped away from ff not on purpose just really wasn't playing any games at all, but coming to this one after playing other mmos I had never played such a job system as the one in this game.

So as mention before with the lack of explanation of how my character is diverse in all aspects of combat and what it all really means and no lore touching on this at all other than warrior of light how am I to take all lore seriously when this is overlooked from the very start of the game. I cant help bu see all the jobs as one , because while they have different forms of combat I am still doing them all on one character. If there is no lore explaining this at all in this game then how am I suppose to then , hold dear to some gear that I got on one of my job quest.

To me personally the fact that their is no reference , zero connection, and its always over looked by basically everyone then I don't see the meaning in why job specific gear is so important when no explanation for how you can do all such jobs is even given in the game anywhere. There are many many times where lore is given a back seat in the game, so if the big things are over looked and looked over with a blind eye then how can I not have a blind eye to significance of certain gear pieces. If lore is that important then it must be detailed in all the parts that matter and this game failed on explaining the job system so therefore its just impossible to see the importance of gear when we have a job system that isnt explained or tied together properly at all.