Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Naunet]

Do you believe your version of fun should be everyone else's, because that is sure what it sounds like?

She believes her version of fun has zero impact on your version of fun, which is true. If there were no job restrictions on glamouring armor, nothing would stop you from continuing to only glamour robes on casters, leather gear on physical dps, and metal armor on tanks. The only people who want to force their "version of fun" on other folk are the people against lifting the restrictions.

It's clear that it's full-throttle lunacy, and I've made my point.

Way to misconstrue my point entirely. *eyeroll*

In this game, the weapon defines the class. That is not the case for an MMO like Rift. The weapon in FFXIV is also tied to very specific animations, which again is not the case in an MMO like Rift. That's why I brought up WildStar, because it is another MMO with weapons tied to identifying the class with unique animations. FFXIV is more like WS in this regard than Rift, which makes restricting weapon glamour to like-weapons reasonable.

But sure, go on ahead pretending I'm some nutjob.

I really don't get the FF community, it's the first time in my "MMO life" i see players not wanting more options dress their character oO
Guys, you are weird ^^"

Agreed.

I've explained it like twice now, if you still don't understand then I don't know much else to tell you since I've already explained it quite simply. The lore is there you just refuse to acknowledge anything that goes against what you want. You don't have to accept it, but you can't ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist...like you keep trying to do.

It isn't about "illusioning" and "you aren't actually wearing the gear" it is about the fact that FF jobs have specific design styles that only those jobs wear and to have other jobs wear it, be it actually equipped or just "illusioned", is against the lore of how FF jobs are identified.

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

[GMERC]

[...]I'm some nutjob.

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for gear you do not have the level to equip." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend, I just need to hide behind the lack of a literal call-out in lore to something that should be common sense. Find me a single NPC that mentions Thancred is not in fact a fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

[Naunet]

Arguments of absurdity are not a valid form of debate.

[GMERC]

Arguments of absurdity are not a valid form of debate.

Find me a single NPC that mentions summoning the primal Remora isn't a valid form of debate.

[Wanzer]

Arguments of absurdity are not a valid form of debate.

Maybe it is, since it's not in the lore book.

[Nirokun]

Way to misconstrue my point entirely. *eyeroll*

In this game, the weapon defines the class. That is not the case for an MMO like Rift. The weapon in FFXIV is also tied to very specific animations, which again is not the case in an MMO like Rift. That's why I brought up WildStar, because it is another MMO with weapons tied to identifying the class with unique animations. FFXIV is more like WS in this regard than Rift, which makes restricting weapon glamour to like-weapons reasonable.

But sure, go on ahead pretending I'm some nutjob.

The weapon defines the class? I get it, but my carpenter's saw-wielding WHM is just using a glamour. It's clearly still a CNJ/WHM staff/wand, just glamoured to look like a carpenter's saw.

I have already stated the animations for my saw already work with WHM skills, because the animations for every existing DoH tool are the same as a PLD's sword as evidenced by change pose with weapon drawn. PLD is able to use their sword and cast white magic, thereby justifying the animations for my carpenter's saw-wielding WHM. Given that it works, you support it, which means you support the lunacy behind it.

You might try and backpedal your way out of this argument you've created, because you don't agree with my example. That's fine, I think it's ridiculous, too. But understand fully that this is the world you're pushing for, and people are justifiably against it.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[Sciwolf]

Nude tanks are ok but if they were robes that would be CRAZY

[Hen-Hen]

Okay, but isn't there a middle ground in keeping the iconic outfits class restricted and lifting restrictions on gear which isn't a callback or class specific?

[GMERC]

Okay, but isn't there a middle ground in keeping the iconic outfits class restricted and lifting restrictions on gear which isn't a callback or class specific?

Glamour in its current state already is the middle ground.

[Miste]

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

Well if you want to argue semantics then...

LORE
noun
1.the body of knowledge, especially of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature, on a particular subject:
source: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/lore?s=t

Final Fantasy is the subject.

Final Fantasy is a series of games.

FFXIV is part of this series of games.

FF Lore is Final Fantasy Lore which parts of it can encompass all games in the series.

There does not need to be an NPC in the game that says you cannot do something for that something to be part of the lore of the series.

Some Lore is specifically for FFXIV, but it still inherits some lore from the series as a whole. Final Fantasy Lore in general...wanna know some things it inherits? Just a few though because I would be here all day typing...

White Mage job
Black Mage job
Red Mage job
Thief class
Dragoon job
Monk job
Warrior job
Ninja job
The design style of job specific gear
Esuna spell
Protect spell
Thunder spell
Fire spell
Cid character
Biggs character
Wedge character

Lore is a valid reason to keep job specific gear specific to their intended jobs. You just cannot or will not see the big picture, but you can go on believing FFXIV doesn't have lore from the rest of the series because there is no NPC that tells you so in-game...more power to you...even though it is very obvious the game constantly takes things from its series lore to create FFXIV.

You have a point that more options is a good thing; even I like more options (which is why I mentioned opening up the non job specific gear if the majority of people wanted it therefore conceding your point), but I have a point that job specific gear is tied to the series lore and therefore should not have restrictions removed because having some exclusive things and more job identity is also a good thing.

That's pretty much the end of it. You can keep saying the lore doesn't exist but you are just in denial at this point.