Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Miste]

Hello, Lord of the Rings Online.

Most other MMOs are not linked to a iconic series that has been around since 1987 and has certain aspects that make it part of the FF series.

Where did I say "all MMOs"?

Just because some other games do certain things does not mean this game should always follow suit. FFXIV is not Lord of the Rings Online or vice versa. Each of them follow their own original lore from their own series.

Besides it appears LotR online has a different kind of restrictive aspect since some of the classes are locked to certain races. So instead of limiting glamour to have some restrictions they limited what races can be what classes (highly likely that they have these restrictions due to their iconic source material/lore). So again you can't use "well LotR did it so we should do what they do" as some sort of argument in favour of what you personally want. They still have restrictions just like FFXIV; it just happens to be different ones. LotR follows its own lore which creates some restrictions just as FFXIV follows its own lore which creates some restrictions.

Lore is a perfectly valid reason for keeping job specific gear locked to those jobs.

[bswpayton]

So tell me, what are your thoughts on cross-class weapon glamours? It would be just a glamour. I might want to be a white mage that heals with a carpenter's saw. I could tell you it would be fun for me, and ask that devs take the time away from their development plans to implement what I believe will improve the game.

I'm hoping that you will draw a line, and understand that people wanting to preserve an otherwise "convincing" fantasy aesthetic actually have a point.

And may I ask like Ive asked everyone else what did the game do to explain the job system in the game other than your a warrior of light nothing. I mean main hand weapon is wat makes the job not the gear that you put on a warrior is a warrior because they have an axe , same with a carp has a saw. If my drk is wearing a mag hat with your logic that makes them a mage no it doesnt its just clothes its a drk because of their sword. There is nothing convincing about a whm that can turn into basicly a monk which is essientaiily a pro boxer but people do it anyway because they can, the same way they would glam their gear because its an option

[Belhi]

This doesn't follow at all, given past experiences with wardrobe systems that have neither class nor level restrictions on what you can costume. They are hardly a "mess". They are, however, quite fun to play around with when making outfits for characters.

There are almost no MMOs with wardrobe systems with neither class or level restrictions. Rift is the only one I am aware of and yeah, the themes of its world are kind of a mess.

[bswpayton]

There are almost no MMOs with wardrobe systems with neither class or level restrictions. Rift is the only one I am aware of and yeah, the themes of its world are kind of a mess.

But what do those games have in common you can only level one class per character , the reason it makes sense here is because you can play every job on one character so you are every job.

And esp the example the op gave a scholar and a summour come on really they come from the same class, but you cant wear boots from one give me a break really. This game lets you play all characters on one so there for the jobs arent separated by character so why would you want to create restrictions when the job system is one of the least restrictive in an mmo. How can one be totally fine with level all jobs on one charcter but then act like these jobs are separate, they would be separate if it was done like other mmos but it isnt, here you even carry traits from the other job. So should we stop having cross class skills because in the past a job didnt use this certain ability no we shouldn't so if we can play all jobs on one then there is no reason not to allow us to wear certain gear. You can acknowledge that your healer is on the same character that your tank is on because the game made it that way.

[Fluffernuff]

And may I ask like Ive asked everyone else what did the game do to explain the job system in the game other than your a warrior of light nothing. I mean main hand weapon is wat makes the job not the gear that you put on a warrior is a warrior because they have an axe , same with a carp has a saw. If my drk is wearing a mag hat with your logic that makes them a mage no it doesnt its just clothes its a drk because of their sword. There is nothing convincing about a whm that can turn into basicly a monk which is essientaiily a pro boxer but people do it anyway because they can, the same way they would glam their gear because its an option

But they ARE healing with a WHM staff! It just LOOKS like a saw. Because ILLUSIONS! Monk glamour would be even better! Now I can heal WITHOUT a weapon at all! Emperor's New Fists, baby! Now let me touch you. Let me touch you ALL over with my healing hands! You'll feel better, I promise. And if it scars you, I'll just Esuna that away, too.

The "logic" you mocked was directed towards the fact one of the main arguments was "you're not equipping the gear, you're just using illusions to change the LOOK!" Nirokun merely followed THAT logic and applied it to weapon glamours because it's the same exact logic. If you mock the logic of weapons, you mock the logic of armor.

You see, if you truly believe in your position, you must also consider what your position entails in it's entirety. You cannot simply agree to one side and shirk away from other aspects that it encompasses. You cannot claim to be for limitless freedom of choice but still restrict what the freedom opens up. If there's possibilities in that position that allows for options you don't want, then... how sure in your position can you be?
If you believe in no restrictions to glamours, it should also entail weapons. You must consider that, as it falls under that position.

In fact, you asked "what did the game do to explain the job system in the game other than you're a warrior of light? Nothing" And you're exactly right. Nothing. That includes glamour. The game surely didn't mention anything of THAT in any cutscenes through the story. Or any tutorial pop-ups explaining the job system. The Hall of Novice never brings up armor, either. You bringing up such a thing as a rebuttal hardly adds anything to either side. Following that logic, glamour shouldn't exist in the first place.

I see no issue in Nirokun's rebuttal. There is plenty of logic to it. In fact, Weapon glamours SHOULD be discussed. Or at least considered for those that are pro-glamour

[GMERC]

Sigh I just don't understand the pick and chose logic here, when I came to this game I played other mmos where you could pick one job or class per character if you wanted something different run another character pretty much in all of them. I come to this one and find out how unique it is in regards to letting you play everything on one character I thought surely there must be some grand explanation for how this is possible, hah as I continued to play I realized that there was none. People go on and on about lore and what makes sense and what doesnt make sense to why this or that can happen in a game.

But seems I'm the only person that is asking the question how in the hec can my whm no karate, or knows how to box nobody wants an explinaton for this nobody cares about this. But yet this is one of the most appealing parts of the game that you can play all on one, but the game gives you no reason other than you are an adventurer or you are the warrior of light so theres your answer.take it or leave it.

So you are tellin me that Im suppose to worry about a blm wearing an armor chest plate. But Im asked to not wont a connection or some sort of dialogue explaining to me how Im a master of unbelievable magic, and I am a master of the physical combats? To me without any good reason for this then lore can just protain to the story alone and the job quest everything else is free game because the devs didnt care to explain something that so important to their games function.

So its basically like ive said dont give me a reason to how in the heck I even have the ability to cast magic and then to change into a ninja and no a totally different style of combat and not one npc even acknowledges this in the game, but yet I have to explain why I should be able to wear a specific type of gear Im lost here? You cant ask someone to over look something so major and then ask them to understand why you cant wear a piece of clothing due to lore reasons, if lore is that important then they need to go back explain how we can even do what we do in the first place warrior of light isnt good enough.

And may I ask like Ive asked everyone else what did the game do to explain the job system in the game other than your a warrior of light nothing. I mean main hand weapon is wat makes the job not the gear that you put on a warrior is a warrior because they have an axe , same with a carp has a saw. If my drk is wearing a mag hat with your logic that makes them a mage no it doesnt its just clothes its a drk because of their sword. There is nothing convincing about a whm that can turn into basicly a monk which is essientaiily a pro boxer but people do it anyway because they can, the same way they would glam their gear because its an option

all I can hear when i read this wall of silliness is summed up in my second post in the thread:

Well, in that case, I should be able to equip any weapon as any job!! And use all of my job's abilities at once!! Why should I suddenly forget how to cast White Magic just because I picked up a Greatsword????? Well why can't I have Garuda-Egi out as a Black Mage, huh!? Why is my level lower when I equip a job that's lower than my main? Shouldn't they all be level 60, since I've already gotten to level 60 before? Gee Square Enix, talk about a bad game design!!

It's a game, and the game doesn't have to do anything the developers don't want it to just because you personally don't think it's "realistic".

Like, it's clear you haven't played a Final Fantasy game with a job system before, and that's fine? So I guess I'll spell out what should obvious: Just because you can play more than one job does not mean you are simultaneously endowed with every single aspect of them at all times. Changing jobs is like changing characters. You aren't an omni class just because you've leveled a few different ones. Your power comes specifically from whichever Soul Crystal you are utilizing at any given time. Please get over it.

I said the line needs to be drawn somewhere in order to make a compromise to cater to both sides. Open up the other gear, but keep the job specific gear locked to the job still. That way if people want more choices they have a lot more, and people who like to have some gear specific to jobs can keep those (FYI most of the gear in the game is not job specific).

It's important to note that Glamour in its current state already IS the compromise. The goalpost does not need to be moved further just because somebody made their first ever impossible glamour gear preview and got upset. The rest of us who have done that (admit it, everyone has once) shrugged our shoulders and moved on, we didn't act like the very fact that we couldn't was somehow wrong and needed changing. Glamour doesn't need changing to appeal to a negligible minority who want to be tincan mages.

[Miste]

important to note that Glamour in its current state already IS the compromise. The goalpost does not need to be moved further just because somebody made their first ever impossible glamour gear preview and got upset. The rest of us who have done that (admit it, everyone has once) shrugged our shoulders and moved on, we didn't act like the very fact that we couldn't was somehow wrong and needed changing. Glamour doesn't need changing to appeal to a negligible minority who want to be tincan mages.

Well that depends. If I hear it from a dev then okay, but you can't just throw out that it already is the compromise since you don't factually know that (unless you have some link to something the devs said and didn't post it or you are a dev in disguise or something ). They may have planned for this to be the system all along? Only the devs know :/

I like the system just fine how it is, but you can't ignore that others might want more options (I am trying to be understanding of what other people like even if I don't like it); they may be the minority in which then it should not be changed, but we don't know if they are the minority unless you start interviewing a lot of players. So my suggestion was IF there are a lot of people who want more glamour open then a compromise would probably be best so as not to totally ruin FF lore and job specific gear which has been around since FFI.

I personally don't want it since I don't want casters and healers running around in full armor like I said in an earlier post (maybe you missed it), but my personal desires aren't the only ones out there. So that's why I said the line should be drawn at the job specific gear (as in the gear that is specific to only one job) because I feel it is a staple of the FF series, a big part of job lore, and it makes the most sense to stop there if they do decide to open up the other gear.

It's just my two cents because IF there is a majority (or SE decides they want to do it) I want SE to remember that the job specific gear is a big part of the job lore and not to remove those restrictions. You never know what SE might decide to listen to and then subsequently change. Besides that they've already technically re-purposed old gearsets into gearsets for different jobs in HW (some of the crafted gear you get from MSQ) so they've already kind of done some gear already just different versions of the same set wearable by different jobs this time.

[Celef]

See, we really need a glam sub forum, more than 10 pages since yesterday evening xD

I wish we had a system a la Rift (it's fun how english uses our "à la" expression, it's cute ^^) you can "glam" wathever you want whenever you want (they use a separat armour sheet whic is....pretty simple to use actually oO) and it's account wide, once you unlocked a glam on a charact it's unlocked for all you characters.

I know it means a lot of work to revamp all the system but what i don't get is, if a company like Trion with a F2P game did it (financially speaking) how can a company like SE, with a sub + CS MMO (and a lot of other incomes from a lot of games) say they don't have the ressources to do it ? ^^"
There is a common belief on the forum that we, FF14 players funded FF15....when is FF15 and others games are going to fund us too ? :/

[ErryK]

Your first point is baffling as far as lore excuses go, and as for point two... I really don't think potential clipping issues should be a concern. Let players mix and match and decide if certain things clipping doesn't float their boat.

For point 1: Well, you're neither a Scholar of Nym nor a Padjal of the Twelveswood nor are you Koji so you can't really prove me wrong even though it is "baffling".

As for point 2, why do you think SE hasn't introduced really long hair yet? Outside of NPCs, they won't introduce long hair due to clipping issues. SE has done that on purpose.

Also, SE shouldn't "coddle" players by removing glamour restrictions.

[bswpayton]

all I can hear when i read this wall of silliness is summed up in my second post in the thread:

How am I to take that lore as the answer to all things when there is a jump potion coming that will allow you to skip 75 percent of it. So if someone can pay to skip all dungeons but have them checked even tho they have never done them , have all msq checked even if they arent really completed but I cant wear boots from another class there is something seriously wrong.

What the devs are doing with this feature to me is saying well lore is important but getting players to enjoy the game is even more important, so maybe some of the players should just stop taking things so serious and just let others play how they would like to.

The lore argument is dead with what the devs have decided to do to their own story , so if people can skip the actual lore then why on earth would you restrict gear because of lore reasons that would just really be stupid. So if you want your drk , pali , warrior to look traditional have at it, but I want my whm to look like a warrior mage then let me do the same thing, after all me doing this would not effect your game play in any way shape or farm.