Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Miste]

Ya got me Miste. Yeeep...that reeeally makes me a terrible person.

Where did I say you were a terrible person?

I was pointing out that you were being hypocritical. Does that make you a terrible person? No, I don't think it does, but you should avoid hypocrisy because it just make your side of the debate look bad.

I WANT more creative options, which you can either enjoy as well....or ignore completely in favor of maintaining some time honored ff tradition (lol).

I know you want more options and I've said over and over I respect that opinion and I understand why some people want more. I also believe though that there are good reasons to keep some traditions and some job locked gear.

Such a request has no impact on those who chose not to utilize it.

Yes it does. I've explained too many times already in many different ways in this thread though so I am not doing it again. Go read some past posts by people if you want to know (hint: some people like having unique to only one job gear even if you don't like it)

YOU want the restriction maintained for all, so that neither you, NOR I can make use of it.

So...did you actually read my posts? I'm gonna guess no.

I've said already that I compromise that sure we can unlock that 95% of the gear in the game for all to use. I just feel there are good reasons to keep that 5% of job locked gear (someone did the math earlier in the topic) that was made in a traditional FF style to stay locked to those jobs they represent.

5% is not all restrictions maintained. It is only 5% of the restrictions maintained. So why are you responding to me about my opinions when you didn't read most of my posts? You don't actually know where I stand about the topic according to this response.

So whose trying to force something upon another here hmm??

How am I, or anyone else here, forcing anything on you? My opinions are my opinions, nothing more. SE is the enforcer. SE controls it all, not me. I have no power to force anything on you.

Even if you ignore the fact that opinions alone do not force anything on anyone you cannot just say we are forcing something on you without realizing you are doing the exact same thing. Which is what I already tried to tell you by flipping the words in the quote in my earlier post.

Maybe an example will help you understand because I don't know how else to make you see what it is you are posting.

For example lets say we share a cottage and say I have the power to do whatever I wanted and I decide I want to change something. If you don't agree with what I want to change, but then I change it anyway then I forced it on you. Say you have the power to do whatever you want and you decide to change something that I don't agree with, but you change it anyway. Then you forced it on me.

Get it now? As soon as someone doesn't agree with your changes in a shared environment and you do it anyway then you forced it on them, end of story. This is why it is hypocrisy for you to label the opposing side as such because your side is doing the exact same thing. SE is the only one with the power to force anything on us though so this is just an example if you ignore that fact.

So AGAIN, no one in this thread on either side is forcing anything on anyone else because none of us has the power to do that. We just all have different opinions.

Liiiiike I said...just cracks the hell out of me that the one person with more posts on the thread than anyone else is also the person going directly against said thread's message. *stamps foot "I'm here to make my viewpoint heard dabnabbit!* yes...yes you most certainly are.

You can use me as a target to take out your turbulent emotions on that not everyone shares your opinion about this topic. Go for it. I can handle it.

PS. Read what I said above about you not reading my posts because I am actually only 5% against the thread's message idk why you try to pretend you know where I stand about it without reading most of my posts. 5% out of 100%? Dabnabbit! 5% is sooooo close to 100% gosh obviously I should have noticed this before <.<

[Emma_Bell]

I would also just like to say I am for leaving the AF gear locked to their respective jobs only.

[Alacran]

This has reminded me of an quote from an old movie.(T.T...fake tears, hiding real pain)

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
— Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park

When adapting this to the current subject, i have to ask, how invested are you in this game?

Simply put this game is often accused of catering to its fan base with over use of fan service call backs to the FF series. There is a reason for that. It was those same die hard fans who care for the nuanced history, story telling, world, feel of the game that pulled it through 1.0 and helped shape it to the game you all left your other games with their "freedoms" for.

To say the opinions of those that are happy with the system as is, mater less or are some how wrong is very near factually wrong. Time and again the developers themselves have stated that FFXIV is important to the franchise, as is keeping it's identity for the fans that make it what it is. You need only look to the monumental restructuring done to fix FFXIV from it's launch. If you don't care about that then i sincerely do not think i can communicate with you, we simply speak different languages.

[Domeric]

Every class in the game can look like cloud strife if they've spent two years in game. Doing that obstructs the "recreation" which you think so highly of. What makes that okay, but transmogging other stuff not?

[Nezerius]

Every class in the game can look like cloud strife if they've spent two years in game. Doing that obstructs the "recreation" which you think so highly of. What makes that okay, but transmogging other stuff not?

Cloud Strife is iconic in the sense that Final Fantasy 7 is one of the most popular games in the franchise, but it's still just one character from one game (and to nitpick, the outfit isn't even from the game, it's from the Advent Children movie).
On the other hand, an iconic job like White Mage isn't just from one game, it's an iconic job in the entire franchise. It's pretty much multiple steps above the Cloud Strife gear.

Why do you feel the need to be able to glamour a job-iconic set (like the WHM AF gear), onto the gear of a job that's completely unrelated to WHM?

[Domeric]

I want to glamour fullplate. Why does my glamouring fullplate as a dragoon or a machinist disrupt your gameplay?

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I want to glamour fullplate. Why does my glamouring fullplate as a dragoon or a machinist disrupt your gameplay?

There's options for that, if you would only care to browse the archives and find the pieces you desire.

[Niwashi]

I want to glamour fullplate. Why does my glamouring fullplate as a dragoon or a machinist disrupt your gameplay?

It doesn't. You can already glamour a few fullplate sets, and most of us asking to preserve the AF glamour restrictions are also asking that you should get more fullplate options to glamour.

On the other hand, glamouring Paladin AF gear as a dragoon or machinist would disrupt the game, because then the Paladin job wouldn't have any visual style to it, and would lose a great deal of its identity in the process.

[Domeric]

It wouldn't disrupt the game. It wouldn't stop gameplay in any way. To be clear, I don't really support class specific sets being transmogged by all classes. But if you want to argue that it shouldn't be allowed, using a true argument would stand on better legs than disrupting gameplay.

Now, I do want to transmog swords as a warrior. And I finally have my case. Raubahn is a warrior and he dualwielded two swords. There's no class in the game but warrior who rages out. His nickname is even a beast's name.

Give warriors sword transmogs.

[Enkidoh]

I have no idea where you got the idea that Raubahn is a WAR, he's always been stated as a GLA in both lore/backstory and gameplay (he owns the GLA Guild for one). And we've already been over why WAR will not get a sword glamour or classes/Jobs will not be able to equip another weapon type, as it completely violates the very backbone of the class system used in this game, the Armoury System, where your weapon is your class and thus identifies it.

I get that you want to play as a FFXII Archadian Judge, that's fine, you just have to understand that FFXIV's class system locks each weapon type to a class and there is no crossover and simply does not allow you to use one class's weapon on another class. And that goes for glamour as well for the reasons I've already mentioned. I'm not trying to attack you here and if it seems that way, I am sorry, but your comment about Raubahn needed correcting, as he is a GLA and has always been one.