Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

[Gemina]

Why should there be any further argument besides "we want the freedom to make unique glamours per job"? I want my Dark Knight, Warrior and Paladin to each have a different look. We can already put all sorts of silly outfits on our jobs. In fact, here is my Warrior while I level it:



Totally keeping with that armour theme, aren't I? Could even swap the pants to the sailor ones and copy the whole set to any job I fancy. Now don't get me wrong. I wouldn't necessarily care if the job specific gear remained the same. But it's a little silly we can put on a halter top yet healers wearing armour? That'll confuse the newbies! I suppose my argument to the devs would be... look at that pic. I have plenty more of outfits that wouldn't traditionally suit the job they've glamoured on-- even ran a bikini on Dragoon for a day after RNG irked me and I needed a good giggle while I farmed Alex.

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome. Currently those issues involve inflated armories, and not being able to give multiple jobs of a particular role different looks when unique pieces are the optimal build for the current level.

Again though, I am not opposed to new items being released that are more flexible with how many classes can equip them.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome. Currently those issues involve inflated armories, and not being able to give multiple jobs of a particular role different looks when unique pieces are the optimal build for the current level.

Actually, I would very much fancy they do away with the current glamour system and adopt a wardrobe feature similar to most other MMOs. I'll admit, the removal of glamour crystal levels makes things far less cumbersome, but it's still an archaic system overall.

Anywho, the point was illustrate their very stance is immediately contradicted by this allowance. I do agree this needn't be first on the list of glamour improvement. That was even my initial post in this thread: let us have different glamours for each job even if they share gear. That doesn't mean this isn't worth adding to list. If they're going to allow bikinis, then just let us glamour whatever. The artifact gear? Sure. That is iconic to the jobs from Final Fantasy's history. I have no real issue with it staying unique. Everything else ought to be fair game.

[Gemina]

Actually, I would very much fancy they do away with the current glamour system and adopt a wardrobe feature similar to most other MMOs. I'll admit, the removal of glamour crystal levels makes things far less cumbersome, but it's still an archaic system overall.

Anywho, the point was illustrate their very stance is immediately contradicted by this allowance. I do agree this needn't be first on the list of glamour improvement. That was even my initial post in this thread: let us have different glamours for each job even if they share gear. That doesn't mean this isn't worth adding to list. If they're going to allow bikinis, then just let us glamour whatever. The artifact gear? Sure. That is iconic to the jobs from Final Fantasy's history. I have no real issue with it staying unique. Everything else ought to be fair game.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But sorry, I just don't feel that because you can tank in a bikini that you should also be able to tank in a healer's set of gear. Again, the bikini isn't specific to anything, while the healer's set is and it just doesn't make any sense to me to take away healthy diversity for the sake of freedom in a game. Many options are available for each role as is, and this is further expanded if you farm dungeons/raids/trials for drops you cannot buy, and if that is not your flavour of tea, then you can look towards the Lv1 options and crafting/gathering sets that are not restricted, which is most of them.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But sorry, I just don't feel that because you can tank in a bikini that you should also be able to tank in a healer's set of gear. Again, the bikini isn't specific to anything, while the healer's set is and it just doesn't make any sense to me to take away healthy diversity for the sake of freedom in a game. Many options are available for each role as is, and this is further expanded if you farm dungeons/raids/trials for drops you cannot buy, and if that is not your flavour of tea, then you can look towards the Lv1 options and crafting/gathering sets that are not restricted, which is most of them.

And why not? Excluding the artifact gear or other ironic outfits to the series as a whole, why is say, Shire gear unique to specific roles? In fact, the crafted gear frequently sees more than a colour swap between multiple jobs. If people want to put armour on their healers, go for it. The argument bikinis are okay because it's normal clothing but Shire armour isn't equally makes little sense. That point is only further emphasised when armour sets do actually exist for healers.

[Gemina]

And why not? Excluding the artifact gear or other ironic outfits to the series as a whole, why is say, Shire gear unique to specific roles? In fact, the crafted gear frequently sees more than a colour swap between multiple jobs. If people want to put armour on their healers, go for it. The argument bikinis are okay because it's normal clothing but Shire armour isn't equally makes little sense. That point is only further emphasised when armour sets do actually exist for healers.

Bikinis and the like aren't even my argument, so I agree that it makes little sense. At the end of the day, it is simply respecting the vision the devs have of their game. The cold hard truth is they want certain gear sets exclusive to the role(s) they deem appropriate, but can still be loose and humorous enough to allow some of the silly glams that are available. I just happen to be on their side of the fence.

[Lufir]

Would you prefer they do away with the glamour system entirely then? Releasing tons of Lv1 items to be used for glams IS SE showing some leniency. Those bikinis, sailor suits, reindeer costumes and so forth don't belong to any specific role, job, or gender. That is why you can glam them. If you want to look silly in the role you choose, they HAVE given you this freedom. It's a different story when you want to start to use glams to make yourself appear to be a role you are currently not playing.

Diversity is not a bad thing, and freedom to do whatever you want isn't always a good thing. I believe the time and energy of the devs is better placed on improving the glam system in the areas that it is the most troublesome.

The point though, is that those level 1 glamours are casual clothes. They are generally basic shirts, coats, jackets, ponchos, dresses, and suits. None of them look like heavy armor that a Paladin might wear.

[Gemina]

The point though, is that those level 1 glamours are casual clothes. They are generally basic shirts, coats, jackets, ponchos, dresses, and suits. None of them look like heavy armor that a Paladin might wear.

That is exactly it. The exact point. They are 'casual' clothes anyone can wear. No one in their right mind would utilize them for combat as they have no stats that makes the item role specific. Role specific armours are not casual, but SE still gives us the freedom to continue to have that particular gear's appearance if you don't like how the next upgrade(s) look on you.