Why do you torture us with superfluous restrictions?

[Legion88]

You can't queue up for both cause they are two different queueing mechanics, like Roulettes and specific dungeons.
The penality for breaking up a party is not "forbidden to queue in (insert queueing method) for 30 mins" it is "forbidden to queue for instanced duties with a party setup"... and this is just to make the penality a penality

[St0rmchild]

If you wish to leave any RF/DF group without penalty - for whatever reason, ask to be dismissed or put forward a vote abandon.

Opting to leave/quit a fully formed party because you feel you're "wasting your time" incurs a 30 minute penalty because you chose to leave your formed group in a lurch, no matter how you joined that party.

System working as designed.

[Mhaeric]

Also, here's a more explicit example of what your suggestion would result in:

1. Queue up for a savage raid. It doesn't go well right away for whatever reason, so you decide to drop leaving the party in the lurch to find a replacement or disband to start over their potentially long queue.
2. You can immediately queue up for a trial. You get Nabriales or Nidhogg so you decide to bail before it even starts. A second party is left in the lurch yet again.
3. You then immediately queue up for PotD and complete the run.
4. By the time this is done the 30 minute timer is up for the savage raid queue again so you rinse and repeat with no downtime for you whatsoever, but you've managed to inconvenience 14 other people in the meantime.

The penalty as it is currently is working exactly as intended and shouldn't change.

[Chevronone]

heres a more explicit example of what your suggestion would result in:

1. Queue up for a savage raid. It doesn't go so you decide to drop leaving the party in the lurch to find a replacement or disband to start over their potentially long queue
2. You can immediately queue up for a trial. You get Nabriales or Nidhogg so you decide to bail before it even starts. A second party is left in the lurch yet again
3. You then immediately queue up for PotD
4. By the time this is done the 30 minute timer is up for the savage raid queue again so you rinse and repeat with no downtime for you whatsoever, but youe managed to inconvenience 14 other people in the meantime

Ok thank you for putting it into perspective like that for me. It does make sense to preserve the integrity of the system as a whole. Its just unfortunate for those stuck in a similar scenario as I was, but that happening in flux must be a very small probability compared to que abuse.

[Atoli]

Ok thank you for putting it into perspective like that for me. It does make sense to preserve the integrity of the system as a whole. Its just unfortunate for those stuck in a similar scenario as I was, but that happening in flux must be a very small probability compared to que abuse.

That's pretty much it. Even with the penalty, lots of people drop party upon entering content they dislike, because they can still do non-instanced content for the next 30 min. If it ONLY locked them out of rf/df/PotD/pre-made pf parties or whatever specificway was used to sign up, the penalty wouldn't be much of a penalty at all.

At the same time, your situation sucked (and I hope you reported them for that behaviour), and I can see how frustrating that must have been. But that's why the system is still fairly forgiving - you don't get locked out of ALL content for 30 min; you can still do dailies, Fates, hunts, squadrons and all kinds of other overworld content. So honestly, I think the system is fairly balanced right now between not encouraging abuse while also not making it too unbearable of you HAVE to leave for some reason

[hagare]

Despite what the TC did, I do agree with his question though.

Why not make allow us to queue for RF and DF at the same time.

I wanted to queue for all my bird mounts together but I couldn't since some are in RF and some in DF.

[Mhaeric]

Despite what the TC did, I do agree with his question though.

Why not make allow us to queue for RF and DF at the same time.

I wanted to queue for all my bird mounts together but I couldn't since some are in RF and some in DF.

Raid finder is the most difficult content so they have additional options to match people that want practice vs completion, etc. I'm fairly sure once the new Stormblood content comes out and the current end game raid content gets the echo treatment that it will move to duty finder and the raid finder will have the new highest difficulty content instead.

[Paladinleeds]

First of all, I'm of the belief that the penalty should be say a 12 hour ban from the entire game for dropping out of group content. I dunno, I feel like the current punishment isn't strict enough (be glad I only said that, when I did it, I believed it warranted a permanent ban from the game without appeal. Yes, I've even reported myself to a GM for it to try and make that happen.)

Secondly, in your situation, a report would just go down as difference in playstyle most likely. So unfortunately, suck up the penalty I'm afraid. But I can agree it's one area that needs to be worked on, but I don't know what SE can do.

Thirdly, on the point of queueing up for different things... in RF you can only queue for one duty at a time, just like roulettes. I wonder why?