Job Level 1?

[Dat_Jynx]

Would you rather spam the same dungeons with boring mechanics and next to no abilities, or spam new stuff with fresh areas and all your abilities? It's a no brainer.

I'd rather know what I'm doing in the harder dungeons.

[dragonseth07]

It's almost as if there should be a punishment for having free reign over several jobs on a whim with one character. I honestly pride myself whenever I manage to reserve the time to cap a class, but knowing a class that I am looking forward to may be in this next expansion, and knowing it'll be handicapped in a way that shreds what fun I could have playing it throughout the list of dungeons in the game is somewhat depressing.

I realize this doesn't stop me from playing the lower dungeons, but that kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Coming pre-leveled is a handicap? That seems like a really strange way of thinking about it. I guess if leveling is what you really care about, then yeah, it's an issue. But, it seems contrary to the entire MMO format, where you max level quickly and then focus on the endgame progression.

But wouldn't that only work for that job? Also, if you are putting all the same actions for every job in the same places, so you really don't have to know the action from name and icon, aren't you just playing all the jobs as the same job? You might as well make macros that say "Combo opening," "Combo action 2," "Combo closer." Yeah, I have patterns on my NIN for what I do, but I know what those actions actually do because I learned them in case I have to change things up.

I think you may have misunderstood what I wrote. I know all of my actions on every job I've played, but I know them by hotkey rather than by name. If I need to use Hallowed Ground, I don't think "I need to use HG. HG is on Shift+R." I think "I need to use Shift+R." It saves a mental step, and makes learning the class easier.

But at the same time, won't you be playing the same higher level dungeons over and over? It's like they might as well delete all those areas from the game then. Instead of making an expansion, make yearly games that has new areas except they keep your character on a server.

Endgame content actually serves a purpose. That's the difference. MMO's are (in general) about the endgame grind, working your way to harder content, and getting better gear once you're level capped. The leveling content is basically just filler to keep you occupied until you get there, with the added benefit of having story.

[Dat_Jynx]

Endgame content actually serves a purpose. That's the difference. MMO's are (in general) about the endgame grind, working your way to harder content, and getting better gear once you're level capped. The leveling content is basically just filler to keep you occupied until you get there, with the added benefit of having story.

Endgame is all still just gear grinding. You're doing the same places over and over again and (with some people) complaining about not going through them fast enough because of noobs. I don't know, I'm in that group that actually likes leveling. I leveled most of the jobs in FFXI and didn't do much endgame. Same on 14. I still have to do Sohr Khai and never stepped in Alexander. But back to endgame serving a purpose. What is it? Getting gear that will be obsolete in the next patch?

[WeekendSoja]

I think part of this issue is how people think of their abilities.

I couldn't tell you what most of the names are for the abilities on PLD without looking them up, or even describe their icons. But, I can tell you what hotkey on my bar does what, with remarkable detail. I couldn't tell you the name of the GCD stun or what it looks like on the bar, but I can tell you that it's Ctrl+1. People put a lot of effort into learning their spells the wrong way, I think.

I do the same thing, certain skills with particular properties like stun get assigned to the same hotkey. I think it's just common sense in this regard lol

[Mikaeus_The_Lunarch]

idk about starting at level 1, but i remember being a bit overwhelmed with my abilities when i 1st got my AST. luckily since it started at 30 i levelled in lower level dungeons so i could learn it better. im not really sure how i feel about RDM starting at 50 either. i really like that gearing it should be easier, but learning 50 levels of abilities and their interactions seems a bit daunting to me.

[NolLacnala]

I enjoy the grind to 30, and it really helps me get a better feel for a class/job.

Unless you're BLM, where every offensive spell you get changes your rotation

Or DRG, which isn't even functional until cap

Or...

Oh. You main a healer

[Nestama]

Unless you're BLM, where every offensive spell you get changes your rotation

Sort of... Fire III is only ever used to give you instant Astral II, likewise with Blizzard III until you get Magick and Mend III. You then get a single target rotation you stick with from level 40 to level 60. Firestarter being a nice trait and Thunder III completely replacing Thunder II.

Your AoE rotation remains the same from the moment you learn Fire II until you learn Flare (which is a closing spell).

[dragonseth07]

You then get a single target rotation you stick with from level 40 to level 60. Firestarter being a nice trait and Thunder III completely replacing Thunder II.

Granted, I'm not level 60 BLM myself yet, but I'm ALMOST positive that Fire IV and Blizzard IV change your rotation quite a lot. o.O

[Eul]

I prefer it started at 50, because it's really time consuming to start at 1, plus RDM is dps role so you know the queue unless you spamming potd. Using "learning" excuses is really ridiculous for me since I play just fine with heavensward jobs which started at 30.