Red Mage Gear - DoM or DoW?

[Ultimatecalibur]

Yea well big goofy looking robes don't fit a MCH well either but look at the majority of gear I get that looks like a BRD or I am going to a fancy tea party.

A fair amount of that is due to pre-3.0 designs. A fair amount of the more recent gear has been designed more for the Machinist than the Bard. The "Gangster" Shire gear and the "Cowboy" Wrangler set begin good examples.

Red Mage is a DoM, a ranged caster. Completely confirmed by Yoshi-P.

You are completely misunderstanding what the Ranged Caster DpS designation means. That means the class will not be paired with a Summoner, Blackmage, Bard or Machinist in 4v4 PvP content, it will be targeted by mechanics that specifically target ranged dps in high-level endgame content and will use the long cast circle AoE lbs.

Yoshi-P actually made a fairly big deal about not say which Main stat the Red Mage would use during the announcement.

So it either gets the Casting set or SE makes a dumb decision again to make another gear set. Which we definitely do not need or the drops from chests in dungeons/raids are going to be even more miserable. Adding Scouting was bad enough.

Other option: Red Mage shares Rogue (Dex) gear with Ninja. Save for 3 sets (2 Artifact sets and the i115 crafted set), the Rogue gear is designed with a Rogue/Thief Aesthetic not a Ninja Aesthetic which perfectly fits a Fencer.

Also why would a job that mostly casts spells be associated with STR or DEX? I think it is common sense at this point.

The single most potent healing spell in the game right now heals (Clemency) based on Str and Vit not Mind. Main stat is pretty much meaningless right now and is a complete holdover from 1.0.

Red Mage is a Magic Fencer not a Mage despite what a fair few players lock onto.

[Velhart]

You are completely misunderstanding what the Ranged Caster DpS designation means. That means the class will not be paired with a Summoner, Blackmage, Bard or Machinist in 4v4 PvP content, it will be targeted by mechanics that specifically target ranged dps in high-level endgame content and will use the long cast circle AoE lbs.

It will be the same rotation as SMN and BLM. Like how DRK was added into the PLD and WAR rotation. What is to not understand?

Yoshi-P actually made a fairly big deal about not say which Main stat the Red Mage would use during the announcement.

Because they haven't finished the job yet and not going to give details till near it's release. Just like they did with NIN, MCH, AST, and DRK. So far the only one to throw a curve ball is NIN. Adding more gear sets just to make a job feel unique is a very dumb idea and only bloats the loot tables more which are already painful to deal with.

Other option: Red Mage shares Rogue (Dex) gear with Ninja. Save for 3 sets (2 Artifact sets and the i115 crafted set), the Rogue gear is designed with a Rogue/Thief Aesthetic not a Ninja Aesthetic which perfectly fits a Fencer.

Or lets not complicate things for the sake of being complicated and unique and just give them casting gear because you know, they are a ranged caster just like BLM and SMN.

The single most potent healing spell in the game right now heals (Clemency) based on Str and Vit not Mind. Main stat is pretty much meaningless right now and is a complete holdover from 1.0.

Red Mage is a Magic Fencer not a Mage despite what a fair few players lock onto.

It is only like that because PLD is based on VIT/STR. SE isn't going to make things complicated for the sake of it. It is going to have INT as a main stat and use casting gear. It is so obvious and SE is very intent on keeping stats simple. That is why tanks got the recent update for VIT to be the primary stat.

[Xlantaa]

I will say Casting gear shared with BLM/SMN. It is obvious. I don't think will have his onw ger like melee DPS.

[ZeratoTyrael]

Honestly hoping it's like ninja. The caster sets on rdm? Ewwww. Had enough of that in FFXI. Have its own gear and use INT accessories.

[Beckett]

High Likely: Disciple of Magic with a non-INT main stat. New gear sets (something like "of Fencing"). Generic Disciple of Magic gear gets RDM main stat added to it.

Likely: Disciple of Magic with INT main stat. Shares basic gear with BLM and SMN.

Unlikely: Red MAGE being a Disciple of War.

[Ultimatecalibur]

High Likely: Disciple of Magic with a non-INT main stat. New gear sets (something like "of Fencing"). Generic Disciple of Magic gear gets RDM main stat added to it.

Likely: Disciple of Magic with INT main stat. Shares basic gear with BLM and SMN.

Unlikely: Red MAGE being a Disciple of War.

DoW and DoM are meaningless distinctions post level 50. Last sets to use the DoW/DoM delineations are the i70 GC Elite sets.

The 7 "modern" delineations according to the artbooks are Tank, Maille, Melee, Rogue, Ranged, Healer and Caster.

It will be the same rotation as SMN and BLM. Like how DRK was added into the PLD and WAR rotation. What is to not understand?

What you do not understand is that Red Mage Aesthetics do not match Black Mage and Summoner Robe Aesthetics. When they decided Dark Knight going to be a Tank they put it in Tank gear, if they had decided it was going to be a melee dps it would likely have shared Maille gear with the Dragoon.

Adding more gear sets just to make a job feel unique is a very dumb idea and only bloats the loot tables more which are already painful to deal with.

Which is why it is unlikely that they will add a new set. The 7 sets we have now are likely going to be all the delineations from now on.

Or lets not complicate things for the sake of being complicated and unique and just give them casting gear because you know, they are a ranged caster just like BLM and SMN.

They are not a Robe wearing Wizard. Red Mage Aesthetics have long been those of a Roguish traveler.

It is going to have INT as a main stat and use casting gear. It is so obvious and SE is very intent on keeping stats simple.

If this is what they were going to be doing then there would be no reason to them stating that they would not say the Main stat.

Not really true. Ninja aesthetics fit with monk aesthetics. SE even seems to agree with this because the early monk gear was made usable with ninja. All they had to do is make ninja attack power be based on STR, and then they could just use the monk gear. But apparently they couldn't bring themselves to making ninjas based on STR. If they can't make STR ninjas, I don't see them doing DEX red mages. So red mage will be INT, and the only question is if they will share with SMN/BLM or will they have their own gear.

You do realize that pre-2.4 Melee gear was updated to be Str/Dex?

The actually model sharing for 3.X endgame is:

• Rouge (unique*): 2 (one of which is the Artifact, the other (Alex/Proto-Alex) is a mix and match that shares its body with the Caster set)
• Shared (Ranged): 6
• Shared (Melee): 7 (Valerian Rogue set is actually the Tactics Ogre Thief set and the Melee version a recolor)
• Shared (Both): 7

Its a fairly even split.

[Beckett]

DoW and DoM are meaningless distinctions post level 50. Last sets to use the DoW/DoM delineations are the i70 GC Elite sets.

The 7 "modern" delineations according to the artbooks are Tank, Maille, Melee, Rogue, Ranged, Healer and Caster.

True, but they still have to classify every new job as one or the other, and even if RDM starts at 50, they're still going to make sure all the current 1-49 gear is equipable and has stats for RDM.

[Radacci]

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pls don't confuse FFXIV jobs, with jobs from other FF games.
RDM in XIV, is a ranged caster, that "deals massive damage by linking spells together with chainspell" what part of this says it's a magic fencer?
also it's been said they don't use black/white magic, but red magic, which is a fusion of them, which also is different from previous iterations.
monks/nins look like cowboys and pirates, and random gear don't matter, only artifact gear need to follow job thematic. most tank gear don't even fit DRK theme either, so your argument that RDM must follow a rogueish look because it's a special snowflake, isn't very logical; basically the only armors that fit DRK, is Artifact and Odin armor...so by your logic DRK needs a new line of gear separate from PLD/WAR - actually they should all have seperate armors, cause knight armors don't fit the savage theme of WAR, either; there's to many gear sets in this game, for every set to match your job, when it's shared by multiple jobs.

they made pre-2,4 gear str/dex, because there was absolutely no reason for them waste time and resources to make new sets for outdated levels/content.

What I want to know is do I level weaving or leatherworking for RDM.

both, since gear is usually a mix of cloth/leather, for casters; actually, occasionally they even have plate gear, i think (though not common)
mostly it's gloves/belts/boots that may be heavier stuff, and crowns are sometimes goldsmithing or armorer

[Velhart]

What you do not understand is that Red Mage Aesthetics do not match Black Mage and Summoner Robe Aesthetics. When they decided Dark Knight going to be a Tank they put it in Tank gear, if they had decided it was going to be a melee dps it would likely have shared Maille gear with the Dragoon.

They are not a Robe wearing Wizard. Red Mage Aesthetics have long been those of a Roguish traveler.

I can't tell if you are agreeing with me or not. Are you seriously bringing aesthetics of gear into the argument? It is about practicality and balance, not based off what the RDM's AF wears. It is a caster, it gets caster gear. Simple, effective, done.

Also if you want to bring the aesthetics argument in. Red Mage has had a lot of different interpretations. Several of them being them allowed to wear mage gear.

If this is what they were going to be doing then there would be no reason to them stating that they would not say the Main stat.

They just announced the job and have not given any particular details besides what it is on a basic level. We don't know it's abilities, rotations, or anything like that. Interviewers have not even asked (likely because the answer is obvious)

[Aamalthea]

What I want to know is do I level weaving or leatherworking for RDM.