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Thread: BLM in 4.0

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    BLM in 4.0

    With the announced pruning of the bloated skill bar, remove the current iteration of Enochian, too. Make it a proc or something, a simple buff that sometimes occurs and can be used to use your big CDs.

    BLM in ARR wasn't broken, there was no need to "fix" it and the added timer was uncalled for.
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    While I feel that 2.x BLM was a tiny bit too simple, I would have rather that 3.x expanded on the proc mechanics instead of adding another buff timer.

    I'd like to see Fire IV basically replace Fire I for 60+ to reduce or eliminate the need for that button, then have some added and/or modified procs to keep players engaged and having to pay attention to maximize their rotations.
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    Please PLeeease for the love of all that is Holy shorten cast times. I some times forget what I am casting as it takes so FREAKIN long!!
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    I think the best thing to do is to remove the Enochian gate to cast Fire and Bliz IV but keep the ability and mechanics to maintain a damage boost.

    In other words, you can cast Fire and Blizzard IV any time but need to follow the Enochian rotation to keep your 5% magic damage up, maybe even increase it to 10%. This way you always have your full arsenal but rewarded with a buff for skillful play.
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    That sounds like a pretty elegant solution.
    IMHO they introduced Enochian to make BLM more "challenging", but for people with a ping higher than 200ms it's basically a death sentence.
    I was fine at lvl 50 and the class felt powerful. F3 procs really made an impact and I found the phase management (UI/AF) to be enough to handle.
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    just like kazeandi said, playing with this "buff" system for people with 200 ping++ like me is nightmare, not just you can easily miss a rotation, you are pretty much will never reach the "perfect" rotation from those analytic DPS thread thanks to your ping

    I think the best thing to do is to remove the Enochian gate to cast Fire and Bliz IV but keep the ability and mechanics to maintain a damage boost.
    i was thinking to just combine enochian and ley lines into 1 skill and call it "enochian lines" or something lol, when you cast it you can use fire and blizz 4 but the moment you step out the magic circle you lost the reduce cast time and the 5% bonus
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    Anything cross class now is up for grabs. Surecast, Blizzard II, Swiftcast could all be potentially removed from THM and put into pools for DoM or Caster cross role skills. Thunders could probably be collapsed into one that has bonus potency/duration when used as a proc. Got to remove ~5 skills if adding ~5 skills in 4.0, and the idea is to have about the same number as now.

    Yoshi discussed an idea they had for changing Enochian where it auto-renews, but you get a small bonus if you renew it on time with B4. Not confirmed, but this was an example in Famitsu Vegas interview about how they want to reduce punishment for getting rotation wrong or failing due to mechanics. I'd just make F4/B4 castable without it and have it be a +5% damage boost only, that you try to renew at least once 25-30s after use.

    Probably will add a new UI element for Astral/Umbral or Enochian to make them easier to monitor their timers.
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    Last edited by Madrone; 12-30-2016 at 03:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    While I feel that 2.x BLM was a tiny bit too simple, I would have rather that 3.x expanded on the proc mechanics instead of adding another buff timer.

    I'd like to see Fire IV basically replace Fire I for 60+ to reduce or eliminate the need for that button, then have some added and/or modified procs to keep players engaged and having to pay attention to maximize their rotations.
    yeah.. I didn't feel like a black mage this 3.x. I felt more like a SCH, SMN or professor because I was under a buff. 2.x BLM was "blast blast blast" ok regen and then "blast blast blast" again. made me feel like a real BLM. but damn the F4 graphics are awesome
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    personally, I like the ley lines mechanics. It's one of the added decisions of positioning and when to pop it that is perfect for the glass cannon/ turret gameplay that BLM provides. I like the idea of it being really...'mage like'
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    Yea, I can live with things like Ley Lines, as long as the gameplay routine is 2.0, without timers ticking.
    Can only track so many things at a time without getting tired after an hour or so. Then it feels more like work than a game.
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