Thread: Swimming in 4.0 [Disscussion]

Originally Posted by DamianFatale

From what it sounds like, we are learning to swim. The drowning during Leviathans fight would still be canon for the time. Technically when we fight Levi, we are having a flashback. You'd still be at risk of drowning.

Or maybe leviathan's aether interfering with us who knows

Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo

Thanks for the answer, maybe the other people above didn't realize my question was serious, and not sardonic. I wasn't sure if the devs had any non-combat plans for the feature, such as gathering, is all.

Just to add on to this.

They specifically mentioned "Fisher" on the slide.

In 1.0, fisher did have a Fishing Spear in it's offhand slot. However, it was very limited to streams and under utilized. With swimming and diving added, it seems like the most opportune time to reintroduce it.

I guess we will be able to access hidden caves with monsters only by diving/swimming so it is not just for gathering. I never played any MMO with underwater combat, my only experience is Emerald Weapon, why is it that bad to have underwater combat?

For those asking what the point of swimming will be:

F: Flying had a big role in Heavensward. Will swimming and diving also have a big importance?
Y: In Heavensward, you unlocked flying after finishing the main quests in that area, so it wasn’t really necessary for the main quests. With swimming and diving, you will need it for certain main scenario quests, which is why you will need to get the ability to do so. Other than the MSQ, you won’t be forced by the game to swim/dive. However, there will be content for it that will expand the game experience. Flying is only a means of transportation, but there is content that you won’t be able to do unless you dive, which gives it even more importance than flying.

F: Will there be dungeons and towns underwater?
Y: Um…. (laugh). I won’t say no.

http://gamerescape.com/2016/12/26/fa...festival-2016/

Originally Posted by Hagen

I guess we will be able to access hidden caves with monsters only by diving/swimming so it is not just for gathering. I never played any MMO with underwater combat, my only experience is Emerald Weapon, why is it that bad to have underwater combat?

Underwater combat is inevitably a bad feature in MMO's like this one, because the combat system isn't really designed for full utilization of the vertical axis. Making it functional is one thing. Making it not look like trash is another, as you deal with attacking things directly above and below you, and getting proper animations for everything underwater. The ability to fight in a full 360 environment like that doesn't really come easily, animation-wise, for an MMO.

Edit: It's also typically very frustrating because it is way more difficult to see enemies.

Originally Posted by Remus

I personally don't like how they are adding swimming. It just seems so wasted compared to flying. Once I get the aether currents what need would I have to go in there beside gathering or being forced to go in there? I just hope they don't invest too much into swimming then in the end its not used much. From what they showed just seems like "hey we have swimming now! for reasons!". I am glad you can't fight in water but any game which has swimming ended up just being a waste and never done right. Which is why most games not don't invest much into swimming now... it's just not worth it for a way of travel.

I bet they will limit it to zones where you cannot fly. I don't think this will be a traveling method more like an option to go underwater and maybe also add some quests.

Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Underwater combat is inevitably a bad feature in MMO's like this one, because the combat system isn't really designed for full utilization of the vertical axis. Making it functional is one thing. Making it not look like trash is another, as you deal with attacking things directly above and below you, and getting proper animations for everything underwater. The ability to fight in a full 360 environment like that doesn't really come easily, animation-wise, for an MMO.

Edit: It's also typically very frustrating because it is way more difficult to see enemies.

Underwater fighting monsters and some likeness to Leves is available on GW2 it worked great and was a lot of fun, plus they added new gathering items and the rewards where pretty decent. I am glad to see that they are adding features rather than just another OP Mob to beat down to death and then everyone complain once it gets a bit stale.

I suspect it will only be in Stormblood zones. Unfortunate but likely.

The animations look pretty nice in the video, and I appreciate that it looks like they're making an effort to populate underwater with scenery instead of leaving it a barren wasteland. xD

Originally Posted by Remus

From what they showed just seems like "hey we have swimming now! for reasons!". I am glad you can't fight in water but any game which has swimming ended up just being a waste and never done right. Which is why most games not don't invest much into swimming now... it's just not worth it for a way of travel.

What would be the problem is swimming were added just for the sheer heck of it? Just to allow us to play in the water? Is that so wrong?