Why do people want SAM to be a tank!?

[Ragology]

Bard becomes a samurai at level 70 and loses all songs.

Well, samurai can use bows in real life so I kind of buy what you're saying.

[jomoru]

That's just an over generalisation that you cannot prove and can easily be applied to both healers and tanks too. My main is PLD, I didn't jump on DRK and I probably wouldn't jump on SAM if it was a tank.

No, no it can't. A higher percentage of Tank players play DRK than DPS players play Machinist. Same with AST for healers. The Repeat I've consistantly gotten from the people I play with(which is only anicdotal so I take it with a grain of salt) is Machinist is too similar to Bard, those who didn't like Bard don't find Machinist filling in the gaps, those who DID like bard already leveled Bard and were "Well I already leveled Bard"

So the idea that a new DPS class will intrinsically be more used is flawed, it has to be sufficiently different from the other 8 options.. and they've shown that to be difficult so far with potential for failure. This would be PROFOUNDLY compounded by putting out more than one Dps class at the same time trying to both balance them with the current setup along with making them feel sufficiently different than someone feels the effort to level them vs continuing with what they have.

Loving DRG so far. But if I find a job that can tear me away from him, I'll probably change.

Presumably you'd want something that plays ALOT different from any current options because if not you'd just stick with Dragoon, or would you be happy with Dragoon basically refluffed with a giant sword and called Samurai?

[Shippuu]

That's just an over generalisation that you cannot prove and can easily be applied to both healers and tanks too. My main is PLD, I didn't jump on DRK and I probably wouldn't jump on SAM if it was a tank.

If you look at the official census data though, dark knight was undeniably the most successful of the 3 Heavensward jobs. It's seen the largest increase in population compared to both ast and mch and is the highest percentage of tank jobs leveled despite being locked behind an expansion.

That says a lot.

[Kiyashi]

If it's a tank class then I'm going to be pissed b/c they were deciding on DRK or SAM to be the tank class in Heavensward and ultimately they decided to go with DRK as the tank class since the setting for Heavensward wasn't right for SAM and on top of that Yoshida already said he sees SAM as more of a DPS than a tank. If it's a tank then I would've wished they would've just added it in Heavensward like they originally wanted and made DRK a 2 handed DPS class instead.

Also, SAM has always been a DPS class in all the FF games. I know that doesn't apply here as we saw with DRK getting the twist of becoming a tank in this game when they also have always been a DPS class in other FF games, but in all honesty I've always seen SAM as a hard hitting 2 handed DPS class.

[Shippuu]

If it's a tank class then I'm going to be pissed b/c they were deciding on DRK or SAM to be the tank class in Heavensward and ultimately they decided to go with DRK as the tank class since the setting for Heavensward wasn't right for SAM and on top of that Yoshida already said he sees SAM as more of a DPS than a tank. If it's a tank then I would've wished they would've just added it in Heavensward like they originally wanted and made DRK a 2 handed DPS class instead.

Just because they picked one for the Tank in Heavensward doesn't mean the other one automatically becomes a DPS. It's more logical to assume that after they implemented one, that the other would be the next tank.

Also, SAM has always been a DPS class in all the FF games.

You're absolutely wrong, but ok.

[SuperGandhi]

but in all honesty I've always seen SAM as a hard hitting 2 handed DPS class.

But not someone with a 2 handed Axe?

[FallenWings]

But not someone with a 2 handed Axe?

Man, what a great tanking weapon axe is amirite? With it's inferior speed and maneuverability over a sword as well!
It can't possibly be a DPS weapon with it's sheer impact power over any other weapon class save for hammer right?

It's like tanks are completely incapable of doing any "hard hits" or "powerful strikes". All they seem to do is just stand there and hold their weapons up to perpetually block or parry.

It's not like tanks, especially in this game, are quite possibly the most badass role.

It's not like they're the guys literally in the front doing mortal combat with several giant dragons, pagan gods and time-travelling fortresses; shrugging off giant sky piercing death-beams and returning the pain with powerful cleaves/eating souls/unleashing their spirits from inside(I tried).

Oh but clearly, Samurai, the eastern warrior that thrives in honour and practices the art of war as their craft are more fitting as the role that strikes from the rear and falls flat on their face as soon as anything threatening so much as breathes in their direction. Who would've known?

[Belhi]

If it's a tank class then I'm going to be pissed b/c they were deciding on DRK or SAM to be the tank class in Heavensward and ultimately they decided to go with DRK as the tank class since the setting for Heavensward wasn't right for SAM and on top of that Yoshida already said he sees SAM as more of a DPS than a tank. If it's a tank then I would've wished they would've just added it in Heavensward like they originally wanted and made DRK a 2 handed DPS class instead.

Also, SAM has always been a DPS class in all the FF games. I know that doesn't apply here as we saw with DRK getting the twist of becoming a tank in this game when they also have always been a DPS class in other FF games, but in all honesty I've always seen SAM as a hard hitting 2 handed DPS class.

Honestly I don't think a melee dps was likely to be added in HW and with RDM we probably won't see one in Stormblood. Melee dps are already the most common available job. They were bound to fill out the others first.

[VanilleFang]

A higher percentage of Tank players play DRK than DPS players play Machinist. Same with AST for healers.

There's other reasons for this...

1. DRK fights for MT with PLD, and in a lot of situations you're better off with DRK because of the higher DPS they can push. DRK are also better in any instance that deals high magic damage to the MT.

2. AST is brokenly OP so of course a lot of healers are using it. It has nice aesthetics, but a raiding party is strongest with SCH+AST right now. Also cards.

[Vexander]

Well, if Samurai is being added in Stormblood, and SE follows the standard of adding 1 of each role as a new job, and with RDM being revealed and shown to us as a DPS, then Samurai could either be a tank, a healer, or not included in this expansion. I can't say I would want it to be a Healer as I'm not sure that makes sense. It could be a tank, but that does give us 3 sword tanks. It could also be saved for a future expansion, but would that annoy people wanting to play Samurai really badly?

It feels like, "Tank, or bust," at this point.