Garo x Final Fantasy XIV announced to involve PvP starts on Jan 17

[Aviars]

How does Garo relate to PvP? I mean the literal translation seems to be "Fanged Wolf", but it's kind of a stretch to automatically tie everything wolf related to PvP.
What it looks like to me, is a mature version of Power Rangers, with these "Makai Knights" dealing with "Horrors" (demons). Doesn't really seem PvP related to me.

You've got to be kidding me. Garo is a fighting TV series. Why couldn't you relate that to PVP? Oh wait I forgot I am talking to someone that wants to to sit around in the Sacuer getting these items, of course you would ignore key points about the series in order to push your narrative of making everything accessible through everything.

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if you argued that using red and blue scripts to buy the gear should be a thing ;3

Just someone else that can't stand PVP gets something nice for once

And as always, there will be a short burst of activity and then PvP will go back to dying. Because in the end, nothing has changed, SE only threw some rewards at the problem.

Just as I thought it was going alright
I find out I'm wrong, when I thought I was right
S'always the same, it's just a shame, that's all ♪

Rewards are everything in a MMO, lets be honest, would people even care about Savage raiding if it didn't give out something different from normal raids? Please.

[Nirokun]

If PvP is clearly the only practical requirement to obtain the items, I expect lot of idle manderville dancers during the matches xD

Will be reported and banned, throwing matches is not tolerated.

[Aviars]

Will be reported and banned, throwing matches is not tolerated.

More like just kick em. They get a long pvp que and waste it by being worthless.

[Nezerius]

Gold saucer version is probably going to ridiculously easy to obtain while dyeable version will probably be on the same tier as trying to get the yokai weapons/final mount.

What's the problem of adding a grindy way of getting the dyeable versions from the Gold Saucer? It's not like the PvP version is gonna involve winning, so that'll likely just be a grind as well.

You've got to be kidding me. Garo is a fighting TV series. Why couldn't you relate that to PVP? Oh wait I forgot I am talking to someone that wants to to sit around in the Sacuer getting these items, of course you would ignore key points about the series in order to push your narrative of making everything accessible through everything.

You're a funny one, it's a TV series about mature-like Power Rangers fighting demons. Are you saying I've been PvPing in Void Ark/Mhach all this time? There's lots of demons there!
It can relate to PvE just as much as it could be related to PvP. The only difference is that they're wary about throwing in another FATE event due to how the Yokai event was received. As for the accessibility, keep in mind that this is a collaboration event, it's supposed to promote something. Therefore making it as accessible as possible is exactly the point.

And like I've said before, I'm sure there'll be players that'll just sit around in the queue for PvP and play badly because they don't care about winning or losing, just about obtaining some currency for the rewards. Just like players would be sitting around in the Gold Saucer.

[Aviars]

You're a funny one, it's a TV series about mature-like Power Rangers fighting demons. Are you saying I've been PvPing in Void Ark/Mhach all this time? There's lots of demons there!
It can relate to PvE just as much as it could be related to PvP. The only difference is that they're wary about throwing in another FATE event due to how the Yokai event was received. As for the accessibility, keep in mind that this is a collaboration event, it's supposed to promote something. Therefore making it as accessible as possible is exactly the point.

And I suppose gold saucer is that much more relevant to Garo? Hah.

The mental gymnastics you are pulling is quite sad tbh.

Like I said. Yokai watch was exclusively for FATEs. Garo was likely strictly for pvp but they decided to be nice to people absolutely repulsed by PVP and gave them something watered down in the Saucer. People like you should be happy they even did that, but alas, the whine still comes.

You should also realize this event is designed to bring attention to pvp. Making the rewards available everywhere kind of goes against that aim. Good luck with trying to change that, especially since you are the only one whining about it

[Nezerius]

And I suppose gold saucer is that much more relevant to Garo? Hah.

Can you point out where I said it was? I specifically mentioned it'd relevant to FATEs (y'know, ones that deal with demons/Horrors showing up), but that they'd be wary about doing another FATE event.

Like I said. Yokai watch was exclusively for FATEs. Garo was likely strictly for pvp but they decided to be nice to people absolutely repulsed by PVP and gave them something watered down in the Saucer. People like you should be happy they even did that, but alas, the whine still comes.

So SE shouldn't be learning from past mistakes? Just because the Yokai FATE event was bad due to its exclusivity to a long FATE grind, doesn't mean feature collaboration events should keep that exclusivity.

You should also realize this event is designed to bring attention to pvp. Making the rewards available everywhere kind of goes against that aim. Good luck with trying to change that, especially since you are the only one whining about it

You're the one that should realize that it's a collaboration event. It's designed to bring attention to the Garo TV series, because that's what collaboration events are used for. And don't worry, I'm sure there'll be more people complaining once the event details have been revealed, whether it's from PvPers having to deal with low-effort players, or players having to deal with a game mode they dislike.

[Aviars]

Can you point out where I said it was? I specifically mentioned it'd relevant to FATEs (y'know, ones that deal with demons/Horrors showing up), but that they'd be wary about doing another FATE event.

Funny you say this when FATE grinding was received extremely negatively, which you also say so yourself. You are all over the place.

So SE shouldn't be learning from past mistakes? Just because the Yokai FATE event was bad due to its exclusivity to a long FATE grind, doesn't mean feature collaboration events should keep that exclusivity.

False equivalency between FATE grind and pvp. I shouldn't have to say how different FATEs and PVP is. I should also say SE is learning. If people don't like PVP then they can do Saucer, just not for the exact same thing.

You're the one that should realize that it's a collaboration event. It's designed to bring attention to the Garo TV series, because that's what collaboration events are used for. And don't worry, I'm sure there'll be more people complaining once the event details have been revealed, whether it's from PvPers having to deal with low-effort players, or players having to deal with a game mode they dislike.

I do realize it, but nice job not admitting that a collaboration event works both ways, and in this case it is to bring the spotlight on FFXIV pvp. But you conveniently left that out because it doesn't help your argument ;^)

[Nezerius]

Funny you say this when FATE grinding was received extremely negatively, which you also say so yourself. You are all over the place.

Good job proving that you only skim over my posts. I repeatedly pointed out that they're wary about doing another FATE event, because the Yokai event was disliked so much.

False equivalency between FATE grind and pvp. I shouldn't have to say how different FATEs and PVP is. I should also say SE is learning. If people don't like PVP then they can do Saucer, just not for the exact same thing.

They'll both be grinds, since I doubt the event will require winning (although winning will likely speed up obtaining things).

I do realize it, but nice job not admitting that a collaboration event works both ways, and in this case it is to bring the spotlight on FFXIV pvp. But you conveniently left that out because it doesn't help your argument ;^)

Using your logic, the Dragon Quest event was promoting quests, the XIII event was promoting quests and FATEs, the Yokai events was promoting FATEs. You're conveniently ignoring the fact that collaboration events "work both ways" in a completely different way. For example how Lightning Returns got the Miqo'te starter gear as an outfit for Lightning, or how Dragon Quest X got a Cactuar mask from a moogle quest (and a chocobo hat, but that was from the XI event).

But since it's pointless arguing with you, I'm just gonna stop responding to your posts. Please enjoy half (or more) of your PvP matches going to shit during the event.

[Zojha]

Rewards are everything in a MMO, lets be honest, would people even care about Savage raiding if it didn't give out something different from normal raids? Please.

Would people even care about RP if it didn't...oh wait.
Would people care about housing if it didn't...no, that doesn't work either.
Would people care about building glamours if it...DANGIT!

Bottom line: Yes, people would care if they found it fun. No, they would not care if they did not find it fun. And the overwhelming verdict on PvP in this game is: It's not fun. The reasons? Hells if I know. I can only speculate like everyone else and it's going to come down to the individual. But it says a lot when a mode with huge innate replayability potential can't keep people's interest.

But rest assured you're in good company - SE seems to think like you and that's why PvP has failed, still fails and will fail in the future. Which is odd, considering they had the common sense to acknowledge that fact for 1.0 and decided to remake it, rather than bribing people to play. I suppose money is just more persuasive than I.

Bottom line here: Rewards are a band-aid that destroys intrinsic motivation for a short-term gain in the desired behavior.

[Yukumazi]

You don't have to do the event if you don't want to.

just like how I didn't want to do the yokai event past 2 weapons. Nobody is forcing you to do these events.