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    Fiona Greentear
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Krile is in the same grey area of non-job as Y'shtola. She's an Astrologian, mechanically. Additionally, Devout / 導士 is just a "Super White Mage", in the same way White Wizard is. It'd be redundant at this point.
    Y'sthola is Sharlayan conjurer, that's why she has something akin to Collective Unconscious. In battle, Krile functions exactly as a WHM, using what appears to be a Yagrush. I agree that in previous games Seer is basically a better White Mage, but FFXIV dev team is pretty good in differentiating jobs by fusing class archetypes from previous games (WHM, for example, is basically a WHM archetype that can use some "Blue" magic as DPS spells, and Bard incorporates Hunter iconic features like Barrage).

    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    ...classic value and Seer is not one of them...
    Seer doesn't have classic value? Ok...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Y'sthola is Sharlayan conjurer, that's why she has something akin to Collective Unconscious. In battle, Krile functions exactly as a WHM, using what appears to be a Yagrush. I agree that in previous games Seer is basically a better White Mage, but FFXIV dev team is pretty good in differentiating jobs by fusing class archetypes from previous games (WHM, for example, is basically a WHM archetype that can use some "Blue" magic as DPS spells, and Bard incorporates Hunter iconic features like Barrage)
    Oh, she uses a staff? Explains why I didn't remember seeing her using an orb like a starglobe. My mistake. She's not in anything repeatable so I don't take a lot of time to pay any attention to her. Thought she used the orb because I had seen the art.

    However, Aero was White Magic before it was ever Blue Magic, so CNJ having it doesn't actually mean anything. If anything, Blue Mage could just as easily use Water, Watera and Waterga in place of Aero.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Seer doesn't have classic value? Ok...
    Seer is an upgrade to WHM. The name itself is not of classical value because the concept is that of the WHM in essence. If they were to add a Seer job, it will have to be something completely random and irrelevant.

    If I was to add a crazy idea for a healer, I would add the following, despite not being a classic either. Necromancer, the original idea that got replaced by Puppetmaster, in a healer version. Drain to get essence, then use it to empower healing spells.
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    Player GMERC's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    Seer is an upgrade to WHM. The name itself is not of classical value because the concept is that of the WHM in essence. If they were to add a Seer job, it will have to be something completely random and irrelevant.

    If I was to add a crazy idea for a healer, I would add the following, despite not being a classic either. Necromancer, the original idea that got replaced by Puppetmaster, in a healer version. Drain to get essence, then use it to empower healing spells.
    Necromancer in FFV was just a Super Black mage with a call command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Necromancer in FFV was just a Super Black mage with a call command.
    Really? Then what about the one that was to be added in XI and ended up being Puppetmaster? I mean, what could the concept have been like? Most likely not Super BLM. :P
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    Player GMERC's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    Really? Then what about the one that was to be added in XI and ended up being Puppetmaster? I mean, what could the concept have been like? Most likely not Super BLM. :P
    Certainly not. It probably would have been better than Puppetmaster, but as PUP in that game is really really stupid and dumb the bar isn't exactly set very high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
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    You sure you would want BLU as a Healer? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities but I'm really hoping for either Chemist or Dancer personally. Think these 2 Healer's would bring a lot, especially if Chemist used rifles.. My dreams of playing Ana in FFXIV would be real!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana190 View Post
    You sure you would want BLU as a Healer? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities but I'm really hoping for either Chemist or Dancer personally. Think these 2 Healer's would bring a lot, especially if Chemist used rifles.. My dreams of playing Ana in FFXIV would be real!
    I think Chemist would create confusion with Alchemist. Dancer seems like a more likely healer, but even then, it might be difficult to implement depending. I'm sure there are other jobs/classes which could be introduced to create new Healers, though the trouble is, making sure they're all unique and viable. Right now WHM is on the weak side it seems, while SCH is almost a necessity in any group setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    I think Chemist would create confusion with Alchemist.
    There are plenty of alternative and viable names for a Chemist job, considering most literal translations of the original japanese names for the job are things like Doctor, item user, salve maker etc. Naming it Apothecary would be quite apt as well as fitting with the game's language to a degree as well. It's also a job that wouldn't look out of place in existing healing sets as well, whereas the same cannot be said of dancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    There are plenty of alternative and viable names for a Chemist job, considering most literal translations of the original japanese names for the job are things like Doctor, item user, salve maker etc. Naming it Apothecary would be quite apt as well as fitting with the game's language to a degree as well. It's also a job that wouldn't look out of place in existing healing sets as well, whereas the same cannot be said of dancer.
    I know this will come across as nitpicking, but I think the greater issue is, it'd be a stretch on realism. Every other Job/Class we can explain in combat without much difficulty. By contrast, a Chemist would require a stock of items, or at least ingredients, to constantly be making the materials they need to perform in a combat situation. Pockets and Bags can only hold so much, after all.
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