So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[GMERC]

Or they're totally trolling us, knowing people would be looking for the data. I find it odd they'd leak SAM themselves before announcing the 2nd job. Considering they did the same thing the last time jobs were added.

Sorry, which universe did this happen in? I don't remember them "trolling" us by leaving fake "JobRun" files behind to trick us into thinking we'd get Rune Fencer instead of Dark Knight.

[TarynH]

Sorry, which universe did this happen in? I don't remember them "trolling" us by leaving fake "JobRun" files behind to trick us into thinking we'd get Rune Fencer instead of Dark Knight.

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

[Shippuu]

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

[Khalithar]

None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.

[Lambdafish]

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.

Trust me, I still saw people trying to propose dancer from scarlet witch...

[TarynH]

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

I've come to understand that while Yoshi likes to JOKE with the playerbase, he >personally< has never aimed to mislead anyone.

I think a thread with 110 pages kinda proves he enjoys it. =P

[Shippuu]

Oh gee... I don't know. Maybe saying, "I just like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The shirt has nothing to do with Dark Knight." Or, "I just like James Bond. The 007 shirt has nothing to do with a second job." Misinformation/misdirection doesn't always need to be on the level of the CIA or Mossad. It can be as simple as getting someone to second guess what's in store.

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

[TarynH]

There's a major difference between him being coy and saying "They have nothing to do with the new jobs *wink*" when it's an obvious thing, and something that's an actual red herring meant to mislead. You've still failed to provide any actual substantial examples.

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."

http://gamerescape.com/2017/01/12/ga...-3-5-and-more/ (halfway down after the Griffin picture)

And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

[Shippuu]

If someone blatantly uses a clue (shirt), and then tells you it's not a clue, they are distracting you from the obvious clue. Hence, offering up a red herring. This coming from a man, who in a recent interview, literally said he "loves to troll."


And you're still trying to limit what I said down to HW jobs. I was speaking in general about the company that likes to distract for fun, and to push hype. They're great at it, and that's why I love them. They've managed to push out 111 pages of this distracting hype thread with a single shirt.

Going "Here's a clue for something that's right, but then I'm gonna say it's not a clue" is not a red herring, especially when it's denied in an obvious manner and context where it's understood he's not being serious about the denials. An example of a red herring would be if he wore a shirt featuring hints towards something that didn't end up being implemented or result in anything. It would be akin to him wearing a Batman shirt but then the job released was Samurai and not Dark Knight. That is a red herring.


And his "loves to troll" comment was honestly more specifically in reference to the story/narrative elements they were discussing. He, nor this dev team, has shown any kind of real penchant for overtly trolling or misleading information. And this thread has only gone on so far not necessarily because of what SE has done with their shirt, but more so that people deny the evidence before them and continue to grasp at anything they can to support what they want.

There's also no evidence yet that Yoshida's shirt choice was meant to drum up crazy speculation and not simply a poor choice in shirts to wear to tease the next job.

[Lewtskie]

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

I've come to understand that while Yoshi likes to JOKE with the playerbase, he >personally< has never aimed to mislead anyone. If anything is found or "not found" in the data files, it would be wholly on the devs/programmers. Also, He had no involvement with FFXI, what they did has no relation to anything he does now.

He loves the players, and wants them to speculate and theorycraft, but he has never just thrown out random information to screw with us.

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.

I think the one that was ultimately vague was the 007 shirt. Even after the gun pose he did, I don't think anyone could have imagined us getting Machinist specifically. And I'm just imagining how simple and blunt the Spiderman shirt really is and how stupid some of us are gonna feel when he pieces it all together.