So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Shippuu]

However why on earth would they put in the red mage and sam files now six months early when they know about data mining. Yoshida has specifically spoken out against data mining in live letters and interviews and how he wants them to stop.

Personally it doesn't make sense nor the Sam Raimi samurai theory. Where did you get this info that Red mage comes from Sharlaya? Is it just because its a mage? Personally I think some people want Samurai so badly that they don't even want to entertain the idea that it could be something different.

You assume they intentionally put the SAM files in right now and it wasn't simply an oversight/mistake that they weren't removed from the update going out. Developers are human after-all and are certainly being worked incredibly hard as they make Stormblood right now, it's far more likely that someone simply made a mistake and slipped them in or forgot to take them out.


And just because you don't think the Sam Raimi thing is a valid theory doesn't change that it's still plausible especially from the JP side of things, in which his name spelled out literally reads Samurai(mi). As for Red Mage, it's visual style is identical to Sharlayan aesthetics on top of it's weapon and the concept of a mage that develops a new kind of magic by combining white and black magic. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

[frankenbeans]

You assume they intentionally put the SAM files in right now and it wasn't simply an oversight/mistake that they weren't removed from the update going out. Developers are human after-all and are certainly being worked incredibly hard as they make Stormblood right now, it's far more likely that someone simply made a mistake and slipped them in or forgot to take them out.


And just because you don't think the Sam Raimi thing is a valid theory doesn't change that it's still plausible especially from the JP side of things, in which his name spelled out literally reads Samurai(mi). As for Red Mage, it's visual style is identical to Sharlayan aesthetics on top of it's weapon and the concept of a mage that develops a new kind of magic by combining white and black magic. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

I can agree in the possibility of human error; however, This is apparently the same thing that happened with the Scholar reveal in the early 2.0 beta as SCH was data mined, revealing the class. To say that they did not learn from that mistake on such a huge reveal for an upcoming expansion borders on incompetence/intentional on the part of whoever is in charge of the patching the content.

Yoshi-P has spoken out against Data mining in interviews of the past so he is full aware these kind of things happen. It is honestly just hard for me to believe that they wouldn't have some sort of precautions to prevent big leaks like this, especially so early on before a big event like an upcoming fan fest, spoiling the big news.

Honestly, Yoshi has also commented on the past that he wants players to feel excited about upcoming content and be surprised. To me, a leak like this is a red hearing to through us off so that we Will be surprised at the Fan Fest ie 3 new classes (Blue Mage Tank, Red Mage DPS, Dancer Healer)

A man can dream can't he?

[Shippuu]

I can agree in the possibility of human error; however, This is apparently the same thing that happened with the Scholar reveal in the early 2.0 beta as SCH was data mined, revealing the class. To say that they did not learn from that mistake on such a huge reveal for an upcoming expansion borders on incompetence/intentional on the part of whoever is in charge of the patching the content.

While SCH leaked through data mining, it was certainly a different kind of leak, of which they certainly learned from that. This is simply a different mistake, potentially even from an entirely different team/person. Even then, people are human and the team is always worked hard during normal cycles, adding on the expansion stuff they're doing. So it's more likely neither intentional nor incompetence, but simply human error as these things usually always are.

Yoshi-P has spoken out against Data mining in interviews of the past so he is full aware these kind of things happen. It is honestly just hard for me to believe that they wouldn't have some sort of precautions to prevent big leaks like this, especially so early on before a big event like an upcoming fan fest, spoiling the big news.

No one is perfect. Accidents happen. You're being a bit ridiculous at this point. I mean just look at the recent new year's livestream event Yoshida took part in, where due to some communication error Yoshida's character was placed on the wrong server which made the game appear to be void of players which caused a huge amount of bad PR for FFXIV. That was also something that shouldn't have happened, but guess what, it did because mistakes happen.

Honestly, Yoshi has also commented on the past that he wants players to feel excited about upcoming content and be surprised. To me, a leak like this is a red hearing to through us off so that we Will be surprised at the Fan Fest ie 3 new classes (Blue Mage Tank, Red Mage DPS, Dancer Healer)

By this logic then, Blue Mage is completely disqualified (as is Beastmaster) considering he talked about both jobs during the JP fanfest on stage (on top of him diverting the topic from a Samurai/Shogun tank conversation by bringing up Blue Mage and talking about his old idea for it to be a non-group content monster collecting mini-game essentially). Because he wouldn't discuss the jobs so plainly if they were going to be revealed in 2 months.

[frankenbeans]

Shippu, I don't think it is ridiculous to have faith and confidence in Square Enix as a company that they can get their act together. If thats silly, Shame on me for believing that then. So your inferring that Yoshi-P is now okay with data mining since things can change?

Look I take it that you want Samurai pretty badly. That's okay, it's great to be passionate about something. But that doesn't mean all other job possibilities are invalid. Just because of some data files does not confirm Samurai especially how much of a troll Yoshi-P can be. Honestly February can't come fast enough so we can settle this once and for all. I still believe Blue is a viable option instead of Sam, heck even dancer just as viable as Sam.

[Shippuu]

Shippu, I don't think it is ridiculous to have faith and confidence in Square Enix as a company that they can get their act together. If thats silly, Shame on me for believing that then. So your inferring that Yoshi-P is now okay with data mining since things can change?

It's a bit ridiculous if it gets to a point where you think the company is infallable, writing off potential accidents or mistakes as being conspiracy theory levels of trolling or misderection. How you jumped to the conclusion I'm saying Yoshida is okay with data mining is beyond me however.

Look I take it that you want Samurai pretty badly. That's okay, it's great to be passionate about something. But that doesn't mean all other job possibilities are invalid. Just because of some data files does not confirm Samurai especially how much of a troll Yoshi-P can be.

My desire for Samurai is no secret, but there's a difference between my bias being backed up with actual hard evidence (multiple instances of that as well, not simply the data files), and your bias causing you to perform mental gymnastics to disregard/ignore/dismiss evidence because it doesn't support your desires.

[frankenbeans]

It's a bit ridiculous if it gets to a point where you think the company is infallable, writing off potential accidents or mistakes as being conspiracy theory levels of trolling or misderection. How you jumped to the conclusion I'm saying Yoshida is okay with data mining is beyond me however.



My desire for Samurai is no secret, but there's a difference between my bias being backed up with actual hard evidence (multiple instances of that as well, not simply the data files), and your bias causing you to perform mental gymnastics to disregard/ignore/dismiss evidence because it doesn't support your desires.

Mental gymnastics? Mental gymnastics is your belief that those data files are hard proof. Frankly your insulting tone is completely unwanted. First of all taking those data files as "Hard Evidence" is premature at best. If your other evidence is that Samurai was mentioned in the anniversary event well guess what Blue mage was mentioned too.

Here is some equally "Hard evidence" to support Blue mage.

1. It is an original and classic final fantasy job showing up in many final fantasy games in one form or another, way more than Samurai ever is. This is pertinent because Yoshida emphasized they were adding classic jobs true to final fantasy.

2. The In game mentions of blue mage. BLue was hinted at being added in the aniversary event same as Sam. Hoary Boulder mentions meeting warriors who use the powers of their enemies against them. Raubhan oozes blue mage as hes the Bull of Ala Mhigo, his fight with ilberd, oh and him being a very important blue mage character in FFXI.

3. The red and blue theme of Stormblood. First the Name Stormblood. Storm evokes blue and Blood red. There's even a dye in the game right now called Storm Blue. Then we have the Red and Blue auras in the trailer. Why add that? Just to be artistic? Then look at Ala Mhigo's flag color. Its purple like a combination of red and blue. Then we have the New Years Poem with Mentioning Crimson in the east (red mage announced in Japan) and Azure Squall in the west (possible blue mage announcement in Germany, considered the west) I find that it takes mental gymnastics to dismiss all of the color references as mere coincidences.

4. And now the Spider man shirt. What's Spiderman's color scheme. Is it possibly red and blue? How did spider man gain his powers, he got bit by a spider and now has spider powers. Blue mages get hit by beast magic and now gains their ability. Heck spiderman's rogues gallery are all enemies named after animals. Doc Oc the Vulture etc. Now you say well there is Sam Raimi, well guess what he wasn't the only one who directed a spider man movie, Yoshi P even states this. He hinted at spider webber, a possible reference to spider web which was a blue mage spell in FF8. All of Yoshi-P's shirts have been on the nose and fairly obvious. So why pick spiderman to represent SAM when marvel Has the Silver Samurai. Heck even Wolverine would have been a more obvious samurai reference as he has more samurai influences than Spiderman.

5. Those data files could be a troll, unused assets, or Sam can even mean SAMPLE. Yoshi is a big troll and I wouldn't put it past him to intentionally put those in the patch to throw people off the scent and to surprise them at the Fan Festival. The fact of the matter is we wont know until then.

So to repeat, we have a classic class in blue mage, a very prominent color scheme for the expansion, just as many blue mage references as sam references, The t-shirt and then the possibility that those data files are misdirection. These are all equal to your supposed "hard evidence" for Samurai and I state again that it takes more mental gymnastic to ignore all of this evidence than to repeat the mantra Sam Raimi! Datamine!

I honestly suggest that you take your hostility down a notch. There is no harm in discussing other possible options other than Samurai, the second job has already been decided so no matter what we type in the forums be they support for SAM or BLU, they are not going to change their mind now. So sit back and relax and let others speculate and please be civil.

[Shippuu]

Mental gymnastics? Mental gymnastics is your belief that those data files are hard proof. Frankly your insulting tone is completely unwanted. First of all taking those data files as "Hard Evidence" is premature at best.

I don't think you know the definition of mental gymnastics then, because data files that are named in a pattern shared by every other job in the game that verifies a highly requested and sure to be added job to the game is hardly a leap in any kind of logic. But turning around and seeing those, and saying they aren't what they obviously, and must be a false flag/red herring/trolling attempt, is indeed reaching in a less logical way. Sometimes things are often just what they appear to be.

If your other evidence is that Samurai was mentioned in the anniversary event well guess what Blue mage was mentioned too.

And that's where you're wrong. The Rising event specifically mentioned Red Mage and Samurai directly by name. It did NOT however, specifically name Blue Mage. A random bubble-text (So not a direct in game statement by Yoshida's in game counterpart) talked merely about colors, stating the colors white, black, red, and blue. This exchange of banter was also not present in other languages. A nod towards blue mage sure, but far from a direct mention by name.

Here is some equally "Hard evidence" to support Blue mage.

1. It is an original and classic final fantasy job showing up in many final fantasy games in one form or another, way more than Samurai ever is. This is pertinent because Yoshida emphasized they were adding classic jobs true to final fantasy.

As a job itself it has rarely appeared more than Samurai. It's abilities and the mechanic of using monster abilities is present in other forms, but it's not always referred to as Blue Magic.

2. The In game mentions of blue mage. BLue was hinted at being added in the aniversary event same as Sam. Hoary Boulder mentions meeting warriors who use the powers of their enemies against them. Raubhan oozes blue mage as hes the Bull of Ala Mhigo, his fight with ilberd, oh and him being a very important blue mage character in FFXI.

As pointed out above, it was not named directly during the event which did mention Samurai and Red Mage specifically. Hoary Boulder makes no mention of warriors who use the powers of their enemies, only that he trained with Hannish warriors (Fighters from Radz-at-Han), and that he has partaken in the Trial of the Braves (a Thavnairian legend of which us player characters partook in to form our relic weapons). Raubhan being the "Bull of Ala Mhigo" is nothing but a monicker, just as in our PvP armor is themed around animals, his abilities have no similarity with any monster abilities aside from some re-used assets from Ifrit, all of which are named and performed by his cursed magical sword. FFXI =/= FFXIV, his name is nothing but a throwback from generally the same team. He is not a Blue Mage.

3. The red and blue theme of Stormblood. First the Name Stormblood. Storm evokes blue and Blood red. There's even a dye in the game right now called Storm Blue. Then we have the Red and Blue auras in the trailer. Why add that? Just to be artistic? Then look at Ala Mhigo's flag color. Its purple like a combination of red and blue. Then we have the New Years Poem with Mentioning Crimson in the east (red mage announced in Japan) and Azure Squall in the west (possible blue mage announcement in Germany, considered the west) I find that it takes mental gymnastics to dismiss all of the color references as mere coincidences.

The color themes of the expansion have nothing to do with the jobs (Or else Blue mage would have been in Heavensward, who's color theme was Blue, even in it's JP title: The Azure Skies of Ishgard). Stormblood does not have a Red vs Blue theme, it's thematic color is Red (JP title: Crimson Liberators). The red and blue auras are just that, artistic, also to reference the past (Heavensward) to the future (Stormblood) which is exactly what the new years poem was referencing. The Hyur in the cinematic is also coming from being a Dragoon, of which they have Blood of the Dragon which gives them a glowing Blue aura almost identical to the one portrayed in the cinematic.

It doesn't take mental gymnastics to dismiss those because they're already extreme reaches and absolutely vague mentions at best. A far cry from actual concrete mentions of things such as Samurai.

4. And now the Spider man shirt. What's Spiderman's color scheme. Is it possibly red and blue? How did spider man gain his powers, he got bit by a spider and now has spider powers. Blue mages get hit by beast magic and now gains their ability. Heck spiderman's rogues gallery are all enemies named after animals. Doc Oc the Vulture etc. Now you say well there is Sam Raimi, well guess what he wasn't the only one who directed a spider man movie, Yoshi P even states this. He hinted at spider webber, a possible reference to spider web which was a blue mage spell in FF8. All of Yoshi-P's shirts have been on the nose and fairly obvious. So why pick spiderman to represent SAM when marvel Has the Silver Samurai. Heck even Wolverine would have been a more obvious samurai reference as he has more samurai influences than Spiderman.

Why not pick Silver Samurai? You mean the choice that literally names the job? I don't know, maybe because it's far too obvious and easy and Yoshida wanted to pick a more obscure reference because there was already good money on Samurai coming because of an abundance of evidence from the past? I'm not denying a spiderman shirt could be Blue Mage, but during the JP Fanfest, Yoshida straight up made that connection and talked about how people were talking about the shirt being Blue Mage. He talked about it to deflect talking about his guest's theory of a Samurai/Shogun tank, where as when he was interviewed about the shirt director aspect, he deflected that by saying there's more than one director (rather than saying it has nothing to do with the director). These things combined imply the director theory is actually closer to the mark, as he wouldn't validate the Blue Mage theory by talking about it and accepting the connection if it was the correct one.

5. Those data files could be a troll, unused assets, or Sam can even mean SAMPLE. Yoshi is a big troll and I wouldn't put it past him to intentionally put those in the patch to throw people off the scent and to surprise them at the Fan Festival. The fact of the matter is we wont know until then.

Occam's razor, the theory with the least amount of assumptions is often the correct one. It does not mean sample, because it is in a folder with other folders named in exactly the same format, including jobrdm. Again though, you're making far more assumptions which logically makes it less likely to be the correct one.

So to repeat, we have a classic class in blue mage, a very prominent color scheme for the expansion, just as many blue mage references as sam references, The t-shirt and then the possibility that those data files are misdirection. These are all equal to your supposed "hard evidence" for Samurai and I state again that it takes more mental gymnastic to ignore all of this evidence than to repeat the mantra Sam Raimi! Datamine!

Samurai has all of these things (besides the color thing, but as I stated, that's wrong ), on top of having the data files which is far more apparent, and an ACTUAL direct mention in the Rising event. A recent mention in game (by direct name) acknowledging they exist in the setting, AND it was directly stated to be in development for the tank for Heavensward before changing (at the last minute too) to Dark Knight, meaning it's on the very top of their list of jobs to add into the game. Your arguments/examples are not even close to being equal.