So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Belhi]

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Machinist is an ishgardian Job. Infact a Garlean wouldn't even be able to use a Machinists gear without substancial modification since it is all powered by the Machinist's Aetheric reserves.

[Vexander]

Machinist is an ishgardian Job. Infact a Garlean wouldn't even be able to use a Machinists gear without substancial modification since it is all powered by the Machinist's Aetheric reserves.

Like I said, I acknowledge that its based in Ishgard. However, the technology is magitech. It is literally, magitech. It has been adapted by the Ishgardians to draw off their own aether rather than on ceruleum batteries or crystals, but that doesn't stop it from being magitech. That's why I felt it belonged with Garlemald in the list better. That, and Ishgard already has an iconic DPS class in Dragoon. Kind of sad it didn't get a healer class, but they could always end up adding one down the line.

[Belhi]

Like I said, I acknowledge that its based in Ishgard. However, the technology is magitech. It is literally, magitech. It has been adapted by the Ishgardians to draw off their own aether rather than on ceruleum batteries or crystals, but that doesn't stop it from being magitech. That's why I felt it belonged with Garlemald in the list better. That, and Ishgard already has an iconic DPS class in Dragoon. Kind of sad it didn't get a healer class, but they could always end up adding one down the line.

Honestly that feels like a stretch. The identity of the Job feels very much Ishgardian. The tools are of ishgardian design, built on knowledge gleaned from the garleans, true, but also from the Ishgardian's own weapons developed for bringing down dragons and the marksman skills are based of Limsian techniques.

In the end I don't think there is any intentional applying of Jobs of particular roles to particular nations of origin. Hell SMN is an Allagan discipline.

The question is: Is it a conscious effort or not? Because as far as I'm aware Garleans are unable to "control" their aether properly - they still "have" it. Since the lore book, some are even capable of engaging in the "arcane arts".

I call grey area!

The lore book is unclear, implying indirectly that some Garleans can channel Aether. Everything has Aether. The world is literally made of the stuff. Its the very essence of life.

As for the using of the tools, I suspect it requires a basic ability to channel Aether. Most Garleans seem to be on the same page as a certain bard/rogue in the WoL's acquaintance. They can even use an Aetheryte.

[Vexander]

Honestly that feels like a stretch. The identity of the Job feels very much Ishgardian. The tools are of ishgardian design, built on knowledge gleaned from the garleans, true, but also from the Ishgardian's own weapons developed for bringing down dragons and the marksman skills are based of Limsian techniques.

In the end I don't think there is any intentional applying of Jobs of particular roles to particular nations of origin. Hell SMN is an Allagan discipline.

Like I said, it was something of a trend I noticed during a discussion with people. I'll always see Machinist as more Garlean than Ishgardian. That's just my perspective though. Machinists don't play a major role in Ishgard outside of the job quests. Its not as though Aymeric dropped his sword and picked up a magitech gun. Its something brand new, so it doesn't have strong historical connection to Ishgard, certainly not the same way it does with Garlemald.

[Belhi]

Like I said, it was something of a trend I noticed during a discussion with people. I'll always see Machinist as more Garlean than Ishgardian. That's just my perspective though. Machinists don't play a major role in Ishgard outside of the job quests. Its not as though Aymeric dropped his sword and picked up a magitech gun. Its something brand new, so it doesn't have strong historical connection to Ishgard, certainly not the same way it does with Garlemald.

The Job has virtually no connection to Garlemald beyond the fact that it too uses magitech. And if you really need a reference you might notice that most of the Ishgardian Watch under Hilda use firearms, an art only recently taught to commoners thanks to the introduction of Machinists.

Garleans aren't the be all and end all of Magitech. Anyway, Garleans seem more interested in Gunblades than just guns.

[Shippuu]

The Job has virtually no connection to Garlemald beyond the fact that it too uses magitech. And if you really need a reference you might notice that most of the Ishgardian Watch under Hilda use firearms, an art only recently taught to commoners thanks to the introduction of Machinists.

Garleans aren't the be all and end all of Magitech. Anyway, Garleans seem more interested in Gunblades than just guns.

If you further look into the lore and science of Machinists as well, they really don't have much similarity with Garlean tech. The crux of Machinists is the aetherotransformer, which was invented by Stephinivien (The MCH guild leader) and it converts a person's aether into lightning aspected aether that then powers their weapon and gadgets. Considering Garleans have little to no aptitude for harnessing/channeling aether, they rely heavily on ceruleum to power their tech. So while Stephinivien may have gotten some ideas through Cid etc. the invention is truly his own, and the marksmanship is taught by Sthalmann/Rostnsthal, a Limsan pirate.

[Zojha]

Infact a Garlean wouldn't even be able to use a Machinists gear without substancial modification since it is all powered by the Machinist's Aetheric reserves.

The question is: Is it a conscious effort or not? Because as far as I'm aware Garleans are unable to "control" their aether properly - they still "have" it. Since the lore book, some are even capable of engaging in the "arcane arts".

I call grey area!