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  1. #1221
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    Fiona Greentear
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Krile is in the same grey area of non-job as Y'shtola. She's an Astrologian, mechanically. Additionally, Devout / 導士 is just a "Super White Mage", in the same way White Wizard is. It'd be redundant at this point.
    Y'sthola is Sharlayan conjurer, that's why she has something akin to Collective Unconscious. In battle, Krile functions exactly as a WHM, using what appears to be a Yagrush. I agree that in previous games Seer is basically a better White Mage, but FFXIV dev team is pretty good in differentiating jobs by fusing class archetypes from previous games (WHM, for example, is basically a WHM archetype that can use some "Blue" magic as DPS spells, and Bard incorporates Hunter iconic features like Barrage).

    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    ...classic value and Seer is not one of them...
    Seer doesn't have classic value? Ok...
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  2. #1222
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    Saltire Dalamiq
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Y'sthola is Sharlayan conjurer, that's why she has something akin to Collective Unconscious. In battle, Krile functions exactly as a WHM, using what appears to be a Yagrush. I agree that in previous games Seer is basically a better White Mage, but FFXIV dev team is pretty good in differentiating jobs by fusing class archetypes from previous games (WHM, for example, is basically a WHM archetype that can use some "Blue" magic as DPS spells, and Bard incorporates Hunter iconic features like Barrage)
    Oh, she uses a staff? Explains why I didn't remember seeing her using an orb like a starglobe. My mistake. She's not in anything repeatable so I don't take a lot of time to pay any attention to her. Thought she used the orb because I had seen the art.

    However, Aero was White Magic before it was ever Blue Magic, so CNJ having it doesn't actually mean anything. If anything, Blue Mage could just as easily use Water, Watera and Waterga in place of Aero.
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  3. #1223
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    Damien Belmont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
    Seer doesn't have classic value? Ok...
    Seer is an upgrade to WHM. The name itself is not of classical value because the concept is that of the WHM in essence. If they were to add a Seer job, it will have to be something completely random and irrelevant.

    If I was to add a crazy idea for a healer, I would add the following, despite not being a classic either. Necromancer, the original idea that got replaced by Puppetmaster, in a healer version. Drain to get essence, then use it to empower healing spells.
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  4. #1224
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    Seer is an upgrade to WHM. The name itself is not of classical value because the concept is that of the WHM in essence. If they were to add a Seer job, it will have to be something completely random and irrelevant.

    If I was to add a crazy idea for a healer, I would add the following, despite not being a classic either. Necromancer, the original idea that got replaced by Puppetmaster, in a healer version. Drain to get essence, then use it to empower healing spells.
    Necromancer in FFV was just a Super Black mage with a call command.
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  5. #1225
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    Katana Azurite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fevelle View Post
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    You sure you would want BLU as a Healer? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities but I'm really hoping for either Chemist or Dancer personally. Think these 2 Healer's would bring a lot, especially if Chemist used rifles.. My dreams of playing Ana in FFXIV would be real!
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  6. #1226
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    Necromancer in FFV was just a Super Black mage with a call command.
    Really? Then what about the one that was to be added in XI and ended up being Puppetmaster? I mean, what could the concept have been like? Most likely not Super BLM. :P
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  7. #1227
    Player GMERC's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    Really? Then what about the one that was to be added in XI and ended up being Puppetmaster? I mean, what could the concept have been like? Most likely not Super BLM. :P
    Certainly not. It probably would have been better than Puppetmaster, but as PUP in that game is really really stupid and dumb the bar isn't exactly set very high.
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  8. #1228
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    Rin Black
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana190 View Post
    You sure you would want BLU as a Healer? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities but I'm really hoping for either Chemist or Dancer personally. Think these 2 Healer's would bring a lot, especially if Chemist used rifles.. My dreams of playing Ana in FFXIV would be real!
    I think Chemist would create confusion with Alchemist. Dancer seems like a more likely healer, but even then, it might be difficult to implement depending. I'm sure there are other jobs/classes which could be introduced to create new Healers, though the trouble is, making sure they're all unique and viable. Right now WHM is on the weak side it seems, while SCH is almost a necessity in any group setup.
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  9. #1229
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    Damien Belmont
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katana190 View Post
    You sure you would want BLU as a Healer? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities but I'm really hoping for either Chemist or Dancer personally. Think these 2 Healer's would bring a lot, especially if Chemist used rifles.. My dreams of playing Ana in FFXIV would be real!
    Not fond of Chemist, but I would like to see a healer that doesn't look so pure and feminine like the existing healers. Dancer still feels like the existing healers, however, Chemist or even the absurd Nercomancer idea could make a difference.

    From what Yoshi has said thus far, I personally bet that BLU will end up being merged with Beastmaster. Something like, tame monsters and share some of their abilities when a said monster is actively set as a pet. The tame mechanic could resemble the WoW Hunter mechanic for anyone who is familiar with it.
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  10. #1230
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBelmont View Post
    From what Yoshi has said thus far, I personally bet that BLU will end up being merged with Beastmaster. Something like, tame monsters and share some of their abilities when a said monster is actively set as a pet. The tame mechanic could resemble the WoW Hunter mechanic for anyone who is familiar with it.
    Can't say I would mind this, especially if Morpher was incorporated as well and allowed the job to transform into a beast as a kind of stance, customizable by weapon.
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