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  1. #1171
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdnyc View Post
    Wait. Wut?

    Are you arguing that second hand information is as credible as first hand information?
    All the sources I posted are not second hand information, they're all various news outlets and blogs that reported on the event, Kaedan is arguing that only the Famitsu article counts because it listed it's information in the form of a quote instead of simply reporting on it, whereas I've posted a variety of sources including ones featuring commentary/reactions from watchers of the event during it. These are all situations of first hand information.
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  2. #1172
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    Yes, that's exactly what it means... when the paraphrase/summary does not accurately reflect what was said.

    You are aware that there are thousands and millions of reposts of information on the internet that are worthless because they summarize the content inaccurately, aren't you? Especially when it comes to translations.

    As the poster above me says, a first hand source is always more credible than a second hand source. You have a first hand source stating what YP actually says. If anything else from a second hand source contradicts that source, then the second hand source is wrong. Period.
    And yet just because it's typed in the form of a quote must mean it's 100% correct as well? Despite there being numerous outlets, reactions, and commentary contrasting the one singular entry that contradicts it? That's not to say it's not impossible for the majority to be wrong of course, but when you're clinging to one article as if it's infallible on top of not even having seen the panel it came from yourself is a bit ridiculous.

    You don't get to hand wave any article not conforming to your idea as being second hand information. You have zero evidence what's first hand and what's second hand, they're all reporting the same event, many of which during the live-stream as it happened, it doesn't get more first hand then that.
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  4. #1173
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shippuu View Post
    And yet just because it's typed in the form of a quote must mean it's 100% correct as well? Despite there being numerous outlets, reactions, and commentary contrasting the one singular entry that contradicts it? That's not to say it's not impossible for the majority to be wrong of course, but when you're clinging to one article as if it's infallible on top of not even having seen the panel it came from yourself is a bit ridiculous.
    When I don't have access to the direct source itself, then yes, I will trust a source that offers what it claims to be direct quotes of YP over summary blurbs. Especially when that source is an official, professional organization over random bloggers. And yes, they are random bloggers that you have listed. Not a single one of the links you provided except for Famitsu (which is the one that claims to actually quote YP rather than summarize) is a professional news reporter.

    But hey, I'm more than willing to provide you an accurate translation of what YP actually says if you want to give me access to the video somehow. Until such time, I'm going to accept that the professional organization is actually quoting YP when they claim to be actually quoting YP. There are millions of people who believe in gods... having a lot of something doesn't make it credible.
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    Last edited by Kaedan; 02-04-2017 at 02:44 AM.

  5. #1174
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    If this thread is any indication, the requisite "I told you so" and "SE should have done this" posts on the 18th are going to be so bitter.
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  6. #1175
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime View Post
    If this thread is any indication, the requisite "I told you so" and "SE should have done this" posts on the 18th are going to be so bitter.
    Lol yep. I'm going to go cry in a corner when they don't announce a new healer.
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  7. #1176
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    Quote Originally Posted by RukiaFae View Post
    Lol yep. I'm going to go cry in a corner when they don't announce a new healer.
    1:1:1 is unsustainable, so it's for the best.
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  8. #1177
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    Well, since Kaeden has been kind enough to clarify the mis-translations, particularly in regard to the Moonfire Faire comments, I'll have to change my position.

    The job to be announced at the EU Fanfest will be Samurai, because now I don't see them adding a third class, and I just do not see them -NOT- adding Samurai in Stormblood given all the information we've obtained. Bit of a pity given Spiderman is the most obvious reference to Blue Mage ever, but what else can you do? I just cannot see SE -not- adding Samurai in Stormblood. I would be shocked if they didn't.
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  9. #1178
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    Well, since Kaeden has been kind enough to clarify the mis-translations, particularly in regard to the Moonfire Faire comments, I'll have to change my position.

    The job to be announced at the EU Fanfest will be Samurai, because now I don't see them adding a third class, and I just do not see them -NOT- adding Samurai in Stormblood given all the information we've obtained. Bit of a pity given Spiderman is the most obvious reference to Blue Mage ever, but what else can you do? I just cannot see SE -not- adding Samurai in Stormblood. I would be shocked if they didn't.
    I'm just happy we have a translation that specifically says (I think hahaha) that Yoshida does not think making Blue Mage Solo ONLY is a good idea. Just that he finds solo/ability learning experience important/interesting to maintain.
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  10. #1179
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime View Post
    If this thread is any indication, the requisite "I told you so" and "SE should have done this" posts on the 18th are going to be so bitter.
    Get that popcorn ready. The salt will flow. I will enjoy any news as I have opinions of what the jobs will be but have zero skin in the game. I got my PLD and DRK.

    Someone bring the popcorn butter!
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  11. #1180
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    I still long for 3 jobs, but my hopes are now crushed.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    1:1:1 is unsustainable, so it's for the best.
    Why unsustainable?

    P.S.: Also going to cry in a corner if no healer is announced since I only play heals in endgame.
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