Quote Originally Posted by TarynH View Post
So let me get this straight. You cited the exact same event. Where it was a weak reference to "what comes next?" as your "evidence," but I can't use that same event where they're fighting over RDM and BLU?
Because there's a significant difference between being directly stated by name in dialogue from the Director/Produce of the game, and random bubble text from two characters off to the side that don't directly name the jobs nor is that information present in the other 3 languages of the game.

How you have a hard time grasping this is beyond me.

And you cite yet another weak reference about someone saying that samurai exist? Yeah... and water is wet. Duh. We already know they "exist" in the lore of the game. The job itself is probably in the game, and I've never denied that. I said I find it odd they'd "leak" it before the announcement, is all.
Acknowledgement that the job exists, referenced by name, within the setting is honestly not something that should be shrugged off lightly. While the notion that yes, samurai likely existed in some form in the setting, this is a more substantial and direct mention of them.
Again you act like they intentionally meant to leak anything, accidents happen, look at the SE NA twitter account which posted Red Mage was one of two jobs for Stormblood, then immediately taken down and corrected. Mistakes happen.


But you are. Every time you say "unsubstantial," you are denying that any evidence for BLU exists, when it's quite the contrary. A file name can be changed, or dropped, just as easily as one can be added. That samjob file could just as easily turn into pupjob during the next patch.
Saying a piece of evidence is unsubstantial is not the same as denying it exists. The evidence for BLU is weaker than the evidence for SAM, it's simply the truth.


Even my obviously facetious "evidence" is not "evidence" to you. I get it. Your little Lalafell heart is set on SAM. Hope you made room in there for BLU and PUP too.
You tried to pass something that a website journalist wrote as being a direct quote from Yoshida when it wasn't in an attempt at a "gotcha!" moment. That's not facetious, that's deceitful (or maybe just dumb in your case).

And Yoshida's already commented they aren't even considering PUP for implementation in FFXIV, so I won't have to make room for anything there.

The best translation we got was that he mentioned blue there. Since I don't know Japanese, I kind of went with the translators on reddit at the time. That's where I'm "pulling" it from.
Back it up then, since you like posting sources. Because I was there too and remember no reference to blue during the spiderman shirt reveal.

Again, you deny even the slightest little things. Krile could actually fit the role of seer. Whether or not that job is introduced is a question for later. Raubahn fits the role of a BLU. His weapons of choice are used by BLU in another game. He also uses abilities that closely resemble Ifrit's. Oddly, none of this came out until the 3.X story arc. His whole entire character is a big reference to BLU in FFXI. A game where BLU was explored more than other games in the franchise. They're not even trying hard to hide it, if you ask me. But because a random NPC in a village doesn't say "I'm reminded of the Blue Mages of old, that used to get their powers from monsters," you turn a blind eye to it.
Raubahn uses a sword BLU used in a single game and no where else. His abilities he uses have nothing to do with ifrit in name or execution, but a merely re-used assets just like so much in this game because it saves development time. All of his ability names are explained by the fact his sword, Tizona, which he took from a rival on the bloodsands, is a cursed magical blade.

His whole entire character is not a reference to BLU in FFXI, only his name and vaguely the name of his Grand Company. I turn a blind eye because it's nothing but wishful thinking with nothing but vague references and mental gymnastics trying to pidgeon hole him into something he's not just so you have a leg to stand on in this debate.