So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[VeliusVire]

Astrologians were actually mentioned since 2.0 in Coerthas Central Highlands Just saying! MCH/DRK however, I've got no sources for.

[Iromi]

AST did get a shirt, 007 was for MCH and AST. I have said this many times in this thread so far haha it's "Live and let Die" James Bond (The Tarot villain) along with the fact he used a gun, it was 2 in one Yoshida explained that back in the 2014 fanfests.

[TarynH]

AST did get a shirt, 007 was for MCH and AST. I have said this many times in this thread so far haha it's "Live and let Die" James Bond (The Tarot villain) along with the fact he used a gun, it was 2 in one Yoshida explained that back in the 2014 fanfests.

So wait... you mean the Spider-man shirt could be both BLU and SAM? Nah... That's just crazy talk!

[Shippuu]

So let me get this straight. You cited the exact same event. Where it was a weak reference to "what comes next?" as your "evidence," but I can't use that same event where they're fighting over RDM and BLU?

Because there's a significant difference between being directly stated by name in dialogue from the Director/Produce of the game, and random bubble text from two characters off to the side that don't directly name the jobs nor is that information present in the other 3 languages of the game.

How you have a hard time grasping this is beyond me.

And you cite yet another weak reference about someone saying that samurai exist? Yeah... and water is wet. Duh. We already know they "exist" in the lore of the game. The job itself is probably in the game, and I've never denied that. I said I find it odd they'd "leak" it before the announcement, is all.

Acknowledgement that the job exists, referenced by name, within the setting is honestly not something that should be shrugged off lightly. While the notion that yes, samurai likely existed in some form in the setting, this is a more substantial and direct mention of them.
Again you act like they intentionally meant to leak anything, accidents happen, look at the SE NA twitter account which posted Red Mage was one of two jobs for Stormblood, then immediately taken down and corrected. Mistakes happen.

But you are. Every time you say "unsubstantial," you are denying that any evidence for BLU exists, when it's quite the contrary. A file name can be changed, or dropped, just as easily as one can be added. That samjob file could just as easily turn into pupjob during the next patch.

Saying a piece of evidence is unsubstantial is not the same as denying it exists. The evidence for BLU is weaker than the evidence for SAM, it's simply the truth.

Even my obviously facetious "evidence" is not "evidence" to you. I get it. Your little Lalafell heart is set on SAM. Hope you made room in there for BLU and PUP too.

You tried to pass something that a website journalist wrote as being a direct quote from Yoshida when it wasn't in an attempt at a "gotcha!" moment. That's not facetious, that's deceitful (or maybe just dumb in your case).

And Yoshida's already commented they aren't even considering PUP for implementation in FFXIV, so I won't have to make room for anything there.

The best translation we got was that he mentioned blue there. Since I don't know Japanese, I kind of went with the translators on reddit at the time. That's where I'm "pulling" it from.

Back it up then, since you like posting sources. Because I was there too and remember no reference to blue during the spiderman shirt reveal.

Again, you deny even the slightest little things. Krile could actually fit the role of seer. Whether or not that job is introduced is a question for later. Raubahn fits the role of a BLU. His weapons of choice are used by BLU in another game. He also uses abilities that closely resemble Ifrit's. Oddly, none of this came out until the 3.X story arc. His whole entire character is a big reference to BLU in FFXI. A game where BLU was explored more than other games in the franchise. They're not even trying hard to hide it, if you ask me. But because a random NPC in a village doesn't say "I'm reminded of the Blue Mages of old, that used to get their powers from monsters," you turn a blind eye to it.

Raubahn uses a sword BLU used in a single game and no where else. His abilities he uses have nothing to do with ifrit in name or execution, but a merely re-used assets just like so much in this game because it saves development time. All of his ability names are explained by the fact his sword, Tizona, which he took from a rival on the bloodsands, is a cursed magical blade.

His whole entire character is not a reference to BLU in FFXI, only his name and vaguely the name of his Grand Company. I turn a blind eye because it's nothing but wishful thinking with nothing but vague references and mental gymnastics trying to pidgeon hole him into something he's not just so you have a leg to stand on in this debate.

[VeliusVire]

So wait... you mean the Spider-man shirt could be both BLU and SAM? Nah... That's just crazy talk!

Again, if Yoshi hadn't spoken about how he's struggling to figure out how to implement BLU a mere 2 months ago, I would be in 100% agreement with you, yet it doesn't make sense to talk about it in such a light so close to the EU FanFest.

[TarynH]

just so you have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Wait. We were having a debate? In that case, I concede to you, oh master debater. I'm just here out of boredom. Didn't know we were in it for realsies.

I'll go back to doting on NPCs through my strange ninja mask. Good luck on your samurai.

[Ogulbuk]

I have not read the full thread (because man is this thread long) but I think I cracked the code:

Just like Kimari was a Blue Mage that was also a Dragoon.
Just like our Bard is a Ranger/Bard hybrid
We get a Blue Mage that also wields a Katana and is a Tank!

Anyways crazy idea, but if this happens, I want full credit (unless someone already said it somewhere in the thread already...)

PS: why is this thread so hostile? I thought this was about the fun of guessing the announcement ahead of time... I spot-read and I keep seeing arguments questioning each others intelligence, or claiming "that is not what I want." It's not like anything that is said on this thread will make devs cancel their plan and switch direction at this point. Why the hate? (yes, I'm newish to the forums.)

[TarynH]

I have not read the full thread (because man is this thread long) but I think I cracked the code:

Just like Kimari was a Blue Mage that was also a Dragoon.
Just like our Bard is a Ranger/Bard hybrid
We get a Blue Mage that also wields a Katana and is a Tank!

Anyways crazy idea, but if this happens, I want full credit (unless someone already said it somewhere in the thread already...)

Not entirely crazy. I said it a few posts back. Citing Zenos' weapon for the theory. He has a katana, that looks as if it goes into a sheath on his gunblade. Also, he has what looks like tank gear.

RDM is getting a combo weapon. Maybe Samugunblademage is getting one too.

PS: why is this thread so hostile? I thought this was about the fun of guessing the announcement ahead of time... I spot-read and I keep seeing arguments questioning each others intelligence, or claiming "that is not what I want." It's not like anything that is said on this thread will make devs cancel their plan and switch direction at this point. Why the hate? (yes, I'm newish to the forums.)

Because video game talk is supposed to be super serious. You need to provide 10 references, 40 pages of written essays, and cite sources according to ASME, ANSI, APA, IEEE, and ASTM standards.

[GMERC]

Not entirely crazy. I said it a few posts back. Citing Zenos' weapon for the theory. He has a katana, that looks as if it goes into a sheath on his gunblade. Also, he has what looks like tank gear.

RDM is getting a combo weapon. Maybe Samugunblademage is getting one too.

Remember when Dark Knight used Gaius' gunblades? What? You don't?

[TarynH]

Remember when Dark Knight used Gaius' gunblades? What? You don't?

Who's Gaius? When did this happen? Could you cite all references of Gaius in accordance with the standards listed above?