So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Katana190]

Has anyone considered that they might have taken the post down about RDM being "one of two jobs in Stormblood" because it was incorrect, not because they wanted to keep it a secret?

I'm fairly certain we'll be seeing three jobs. Could be RDM, BLU and SAM. Could be RDM, BLU and DNC. Could be RDM, SAM and DNC. My bet is RDM, BLU and SAM.

I would lower your expectations if I were you. As much as I would love and very welcome 3 jobs (Who wouldn't?) The Tweet from SE NA and the Datamined files ONLY showing jobrdm and jobsam further enforce the point that we'll probably only get 2 jobs. There is still a possibility believe me, as a 3rd job could still be in production while SAM and RDM are finished, reason enough why their files are already in place.

But I'm just trying to help, you don't want to be disappointed. You must remember even with a higher budget they have to increase all the existing jobs by 5 levels, with the addition of DRK, MCH and AST that has further increased the work load per expansion + Battle System changes are a pretty big deal.

I say this but I will be disappointed if SAM is a DPS... I've prepared myself all this time yet I can't shrug off the fact that if it is indeed a DPS and it's very possible, I will be disappointed and there is nothing I can do about it. 2 Jobs only will not make me disappointed however so I guess it's just a preference thing we can't get rid of until all is confirmed at EU Fanfest.

They should not, nor are they going to create a "melee healer" meme job, if that's what you're thinking.

I think when people say "Melee Healer" they don't literally mean they have to melee to heal people... atleast I hope not. Rather it's DPS form would be a Melee. I can imagine it still being DoM and still using MND, (Sorry but this is just the way healers and tanks will work. Fending and "HEALING" gear is here to stay and will be on all future tanks and healers, I will bite my lip if I'm wrong, but we'll go back to this part of my post in a few years...) but having a different Cleric stance that would swap MND for DEX or something like that. Atleast that is the way I look at it, would create interesting gameplay, if it works on the other hand... I don't know.

[GMERC]

I say this but I will be disappointed if SAM is a DPS... I've prepared myself all this time yet I can't shrug off the fact that if it is indeed a DPS and it's very possible, I will be disappointed and there is nothing I can do about it.

There are probably roughly the same number of people who feel the same way, only replace the word "DPS" with "Tank". We'll be disappointed and there's nothing we can do about it. But in the end and despite our personal preferences, I can say that I've come to terms with the fact (and it is a fact) that either Tank or DPS would be an acceptable outcome.

As for mentions of the budget rumor(s), it's important to remember that more jobs is not exactly the only way for a game to have more content, nor is it the best way.

It feels like it's just going to be either 2 DPS jobs or a DPS and a tank, which is very disappointing given my main is healer, and I was hoping for a new one.

You shouldn't need a new tank or a new healer to justify continuing to play a tank job or a healer job. This mindset of treating tanks and healers as a "role" you play rather than individual jobs to enjoy independently has always confused me, honestly. People who play Dragoon don't act like they need a new DPS to keep enjoying Dragoon, do they? Would there really be Black Mages whining about their role if Red Mage had been a melee job instead of a caster, even though Red Mage has nothing to do with the state of Black Mage?

I think when people say "Melee Healer" they don't literally mean they have to melee to heal people... atleast I hope not. Rather it's DPS form would be a Melee. I can imagine it still being DoM and still using MND, (Sorry but this is just the way healers and tanks will work. Fending and "HEALING" gear is here to stay and will be on all future tanks and healers, I will bite my lip if I'm wrong, but we'll go back to this part of my post in a few years...) but having a different Cleric stance that would swap MND for DEX or something like that. Atleast that is the way I look at it, would create interesting gameplay, if it works on the other hand... I don't know.

I'd certainly rather, under those circumstances, Dancer were simply a close quarters job that carried a number of buffs for the party they use in the same manner a Bard would, not "a healer just because". Healer role (among others) is sort of needed to sort excess spellcasters into, anyway. Time Mage didn't need to be a Caster DPS, so they made it a Healer. Scholar could just as easily have been a Caster DPS, but they used the relative blank slate to create a Healer. I don't think we have nearly as great a need to funnel potential melee jobs into other roles as you might think, though.

In short, Dancer Healer would be poopy and dumb and I wouldn't like it, but I'd certainly take it in a heartbeat over something as outright stupid as Dancer Tank.

[Lewtskie]

You shouldn't need a new tank or a new healer to justify continuing to play a tank job or a healer job. This mindset of treating tanks and healers as a "role" you play rather than individual jobs to enjoy independently has always confused me, honestly. People who play Dragoon don't act like they need a new DPS to keep enjoying Dragoon, do they? Would there really be Black Mages whining about their role if Red Mage had been a melee job instead of a caster, even though Red Mage has nothing to do with the state of Black Mage?

I think some at least are wanting a new tank due to the current roster possibly not fitting either their aesthetic, or maybe playstyle. With a new tank comes the chance it'll fit their niche.

I doubt we ever could see a melee-range healer as there exists healer focused mechanics that require you to not be near people, or at least be in a specific position. Even going onward of not having those mechanics anymore, the older content will still exist.

[Resolute]

You shouldn't need a new tank or a new healer to justify continuing to play a tank job or a healer job. This mindset of treating tanks and healers as a "role" you play rather than individual jobs to enjoy independently has always confused me, honestly. People who play Dragoon don't act like they need a new DPS to keep enjoying Dragoon, do they? Would there really be Black Mages whining about their role if Red Mage had been a melee job instead of a caster, even though Red Mage has nothing to do with the state of Black Mage?

I don't think the issue is that people need a new tank or healer job to continue to enjoy playing an existing tank or healer job. I prefer to tank and will always prefer to tank, and, given the three options, I have settled in on the option I enjoy the most. However, a new tank job means a new job for the role I enjoy, and I might end up enjoying the new option more. If we get only 2 new dps jobs, people who enjoy playing in the tank or healer role do not have as much to look forward to because, even though RDM and whatever else might look cool, they are never going to seriously play those DPS jobs, whereas if a tank or healer job is also released, they have a potential new main job if they end up enjoying the playstyle of that new job.

[GMERC]

I don't think the issue is that people need a new tank or healer job to continue to enjoy playing an existing tank or healer job. I prefer to tank and will always prefer to tank, and, given the three options, I have settled in on the option I enjoy the most. However, a new tank job means a new job for the role I enjoy, and I might end up enjoying the new option more. If we get only 2 new dps jobs, people who enjoy playing in the tank or healer role do not have as much to look forward to because, even though RDM and whatever else might look cool, they are never going to seriously play those DPS jobs, whereas if a tank or healer job is also released, they have a potential new main job if they end up enjoying the playstyle of that new job.

3 Tank
3 Melee DPS
2 Shooter DPS
2 Caster DPS --(Red Mage added)--> 3 Caster DPS
3 Healer

Or, if you'd prefer:
3 Tanks
3 Melee DPS
4 Ranged DPS --(Red Mage added)--> 5 Ranged DPS
3 Healers

At this point, we don't "need" one of any particular role more than any other, unless someone wants to suggest we need two new Shooters back-to-back. We probably don't need to be brought up to six Ranged DPS in 4.0.

[TarynH]

The Tweet from SE NA and the Datamined files ONLY showing jobrdm and jobsam further enforce the point that we'll probably only get 2 jobs.

Or they're totally trolling us, knowing people would be looking for the data. I find it odd they'd leak SAM themselves before announcing the 2nd job. Considering they trolled us the last time jobs were added.

[GMERC]

Or they're totally trolling us, knowing people would be looking for the data. I find it odd they'd leak SAM themselves before announcing the 2nd job. Considering they did the same thing the last time jobs were added.

Sorry, which universe did this happen in? I don't remember them "trolling" us by leaving fake "JobRun" files behind to trick us into thinking we'd get Rune Fencer instead of Dark Knight.

[TarynH]

Sorry, which universe did this happen in? I don't remember them "trolling" us by leaving fake "JobRun" files behind to trick us into thinking we'd get Rune Fencer instead of Dark Knight.

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

[Shippuu]

I was meaning to say that they trolled in general about what was coming. Not that they necessarily put fake files in the game. They intentionally toss out red herrings for everyone to chase, to keep the speculation hype train rolling. Yoshida, himself, trolled that the shirts meant nothing, when in fact they did (for HW). I learned early on (with FFXI) that they love to throw out random information for us to chase. They've had more fun with it on this game, however.

Please do share what specific red herrings they tossed out leading up to Heavensward job reveals. Because all you've got are the shirts, none of which were red herrings, merely hints towards new jobs. None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

So yeah, source where they deceived us specifically with information towards new jobs that was intentionally misleading.

[Khalithar]

None of them hinted things that weren't ultimately true or deceiving, simply just vague hijts/references.

The fact that he was wearing a Scarlet Witch shirt was completely the opposite of vague.