So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[GMERC]

Because it would be a colossal waste to take two jobs that have not only iconic appearances but also drastically different and unique playstyles and mash then into a single job. They want to stretch out their iconic Final fantasy jobs for options for future expansions and selling points. They should only he mixing/combining jobs for ones that don't have a solid identity or can't stand on their own.

Samurai and Blue Mage are not those kinds of jobs that would need it.

Exactly, though I will play devil's advocate say we already have some precedent of wasting the potential of Bard by mixing it with Ranger.

Not that I necessarily dislike the end result, I'm just thinking about what could have been.

[Reynhart]

The key thing is that during the first fanfest there were two silhouettes on the screen saying "New Jobs" later it was asked if those silhouettes were related to the number of jobs releasing.

Or they only showed two silhouettes because we only have two genders...
Considering there wasn't a "three silouhette" panel during HW first fanfest, why should we assume it is related ?

He could have easily said yes, and held his earlier stance on the subject, but he didn't.

Yoshi-P don't answer even trivial questions because he likes us to speculate, not because there is a secret meaning behind everything.

[Lewtskie]

Dots

There wasn't any silhouettes at the HW panel, so why not then and then why now? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Not everything is a secret, but everything has the potential to hold one.

His previous stance was in-fact "only two jobs" so him only saying that during the fan fest questions would be him just stating what he already said. There's nothing gained from keeping people up in the air if he's stated previously where he stood on the subject.

Yoshi is a clever man, but he is not a man who aims to completely deceive. He's made promises he could not keep, and the backlash was severe. Fans are fickle. But he doesn't hate us, purely the opposite. If he can deliver to us more, than he wants that people to look forward to it, but he knows he can't do everything so he doesn't speak in definitives when it comes to releasing something; but he will say if he cannot. Not re-confirming his previous stance means he's going to try. But if he can't deliver then there is nothing people can explicitly throw back in his face. He could keep it purely a surprise, but as you said, he wants people to speculate, but not without reason.

[Vydos]

How would you guys imagine a SAM/BLU hybrid? Doesn't sound too unlikely to be honest.

Seems very unlikely to me. It would make more sense for them to create a BLU/DNC hybrid. Both classes can be easily tied to ala mhigo. And having them combined seems more plausible. I'm getting really curious what the eventual job will be though.

[Reynhart]

There wasn't any silhouettes at the HW panel, so why not then and then why now?

Well, they won't use the same powerpoint for each expansion, now, will they ?

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Yet you think that the absence of a third silhouette is an evidence of absence of a third job.

His previous stance was in-fact "only two jobs"

"His" stance is not. The dev-team complained on that once, but we have to keep in mind that they had to work on three jobs...while creating a fourth one during 2.x. Which suprisingly match with Yoshi-P's actual stance of "We won't add a job mid-expansion again"

he wants people to speculate, but not without reason.

You can't say that, because it could be used to justify everything. For example, him not saying if the girl in red is a MNK or DNC would be a testimony of her being a DNC, because, if she was a MNK there would be no reason hiding. Or him not talking about the datamine is a testimony that SAM really is coming, since there would be no reason of not denying it.

Two things that also favor the idea that there will be three jobs.

It would make more sense for them to create a BLU/DNC hybrid. Both classes can be easily tied to ala mhigo.

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

[Vydos]

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

Very true. I'm only basing my thought assuming they'd want at least 1 job to tie in with the new expansion region. Astrologian was like -the- heavensward job because astrologians were already a thing before that. Even though none of us expected it to become an actual job.

[Lewtskie]

Well, they won't use the same powerpoint for each expansion, now, will they ?

Yet you think that the absence of a third silhouette is an evidence of absence of a third job.

The absence of evidence means anything is open, only when there is evidence of absence would there mean nothing exists, but whatever. There being only two silhouettes implies nothing, and implies anything. There's potentially any reason it can exist, when it didn't before. The fact they chose a background this time around, not that they used the same slide (I don't know why you automatically assume that) either is just space or reference to something. This is how speculation works. This is the basis of theorycrafting and how people discover and understand.

"His" stance is not. The dev-team complained on that once, but we have to keep in mind that they had to work on three jobs...while creating a fourth one during 2.x. Which suprisingly match with Yoshi-P's actual stance of "We won't add a job mid-expansion again"

He speaks for his team, but he also speaks for himself. If there was zero possibility that his team could not provide, he would say. But either his team can try, or he will try and get them to. Either works, but that he did not hold out on his previous statement means its up in the air again.

You can't say that, because it could be used to justify everything. For example, him not saying if the girl in red is a MNK or DNC would be a testimony of her being a DNC, because, if she was a MNK there would be no reason hiding. Or him not talking about the datamine is a testimony that SAM really is coming, since there would be no reason of not denying it.

You have to look for what's explicitly stated as yes or no. Time and time again he has said if something is not possible, or at least not yet. He has been very clear on those boundaries. You can say she's not MNK, but the implies only that she isn't a MNK, nothing else. It could mean she is a DNC, or it could mean she is something else. NPCs have their own thing and do not exist solely in the same boundaries as the player. But if he says she isn't a MNK, then you take that as an absolute. That means anything else is possible until proven otherwise.

You use a process of elimination, but only when the elimination is clear and concise. Until word is made from the same mouth the opposes the previous statement.

Considering they confirmed that you ony need to be level 50 to unlock Red Mage, there's a high probability that the new jobs aren't tied to this city.

It's not about the city, it's the culture. And its entirely possible to have a discipline of Ala Mhigan origin to make its way into Eorzea, if it didn't exist there already.

[Reynhart]

Very true. I'm only basing my thought assuming they'd want at least 1 job to tie in with the new expansion region. Astrologian was like -the- heavensward job because astrologians were already a thing before that. Even though none of us expected it to become an actual job.

Even if ony one job is restriced to Ala Mhigo, you can be sure that the backlash will be huge, because, suddenly, everyone will want to play that job :-p

The thing is, even the three jobs from HW has very little connection to Ishgard itself. You could have easily unlocked AST at the Observatorium at Camp Dragonhead, DRK at...well, frankly, anywhere in the world...and I don't play MCH, but I doubt the connection is that important.

Either works, but that he did not hold out on his previous statement means its up in the air again.

The fact is, there was no previous statement claiming "we will only do two jobs" or "we don't do three jobs".

You can say she's not MNK, but the implies only that she isn't a MNK, nothing else.

But not saying she's a MNK doesn't imply that she's not.

It's not about the city, it's the culture. And its entirely possible to have a discipline of Ala Mhigan origin to make its way into Eorzea, if it didn't exist there already.

But the only culture of Ala Mhigo we know is tied to MNK. Why should BLU or DNC be tied to it more than any other location

[Lewtskie]

Even if ony one job is restriced to Ala Mhigo, you can be sure that the backlash will be huge, because, suddenly, everyone will want to play that job :-p

The thing is, even the three jobs from HW has very little connection to Ishgard itself. You could have easily unlocked AST at the Observatorium at Camp Dragonhead, DRK at...well, frankly, anywhere in the world...and I don't play MCH, but I doubt the connection is that important.

For them to introduce a Job mid expansion would be weird, off-key, and probably really bad if they locked it through the story. So it certainly wouldn't be the best idea.

Either of those jobs, as well as any that exist in the game could come from anywhere depending on where you spun the narrative. Lore is what ties it all together.

Thing is we could get anything from Ala Mhigo if it's designed that way. But SAM is and has been of Doman origin, and while entirely possible the RDM could be, the aesthetic questions that possibility.

The fact, there was no previous statement claiming "we will only do two jobs" or "we don't do three jobs".

You have me questioning this now since I swore I saw it somewhere, so I'll be digging around. If i can't find it I'll feel embarrassed, but it makes things simpler. Peoples have kept passing the word that there would only be two jobs, the argument is that if he has said that he didn't say it this time.But never saying it at all means any number is possible, just he can't guarantee anything beyond what he planned with shirts.

But not saying she's a MNK doesn't imply that she's not.

But the only culture of Ala Mhigo we know is tied to MNK. Why should BLU or DNC be tied to it more than any other location

Exactly that though, that claim was just for example. She can be anything, which leaves everything open. Thus far, everyone has kept to DNC or BLU because to their reasoning those would be the best possible choices, or the ones that make the most sense. But we can get anything for all we know. That's what I'm interested in, Ala Mhigan culture is neat stuff, so anything more that develops the lore for there I'm totally for.

[Reynhart]

You have me questioning this now since I swore I saw it somewhere, so I'll be digging around.

That's a bit tricky.

On march 2015, at PAX, the dev-team said that doing the three jobs for Heavensward was very difficult and they don't want to do the same. But, like I said earlier, they had the task of designing those three jobs while creating Ninja for 2.4. So, we can assume that they won't design four jobs at the same time, which can realistically be the reason why Yoshi-P officialy stated, at the launch of Heavensward, that they won't create another job mid-expansion.

So, two jobs is a possibility, but there was no official statement to confrm that, unless you consider the NA fanfest tweet, that was mysteriously updated to remove the number...