So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Shippuu]

So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

I merely mistyped FF8 as FF7 on the list, and I have Explorers on both lists. So a mistake on my end that doesn't change the total count, and a reading comprehension fail on your end that still doesn't change the count. And if we're counting BS like FFX-2's gun mage, despite not being called a blue mage, and not using something called blue magic, then Steiner from IX counts given his sword art mechanic functions almost identically to the recurring Samurai mechanic of Bushido, this is why I included him. But hey, I can take him off the list, and as ErikMynhier pointed out, I missed a samurai in the form of Parivir from Tactics A2, so it doesn't effect the total number of SAM.

I didn't include Bravely Default since it's not technically a Final Fantasy game, and considering both SAM and BLU had representation in both games they would not have effected the numbers. This was doing you a favor because if we counted that, then we would have also needed to count Samurai Rising, of which would have given yet another point to the Samurai tally and not the Blue Mage one.
You'll also note I have not edited my post, so the list is still there as I had initially typed it.

So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.

So to recap, I mis-typed FF8 as FF7, and taking away Steiner, but adding FFTA2 Parivir for Samurai, makes the total still: 15 for Blue Mage, 16 for Samurai.

So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

So you're still wrong, and Samurai has still appeared in more Final Fantasy games than Blue Mage.


Edit: As pointed out as I'm reading the replies I missed while sleeping. I have overlooked the Enemy Skill materia from FF7, however, if we're going to count that, then Gil Toss is also a materia from 7 too, which is Samurai ability, so arguably FF7 should be on both lists, which still doesn't change the outcome.

[Dorander]

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

jfc... Okay let's make a very clear understanding of what Blue Magic or similar arts entail. You are not just drawing power from an enemy. It goes deeper than that. Blue Magic,Copy Magic, Pictomancy is utilizing a very high level magic to systematically replicate an enemies move and reconstruct it to allow use by an individual who would not readily have the limbs, mechanisms, or body structure to perform such maneuvers. This is done through taking on the said moves, and why not all moves can be replicated. Your body remembers the move, the pain or function, and the magic draws from that. This is why in XI it was established how dangerous this art was. You turn yourself into a living weapon, every part of your body a point to channel the magic.

DRGs merely feed off the eye of a dragon for power which stimulates their bodies, giving them enhanced skills. Likewise does SMN use Ahk Morn specifically? NO. It uses a very weaker form constructed by their art. And that aside, you are channeling, much like DRG, to perform this feat. SAMN in essence is a channeler, even Death Flare uses the still lingering essence of Bahamut to perform it. You as yourself don't have the full power to perform it at will.

Because those aren't Blue Mage situations in the slightest.

A Blue Mage learns the powers of their enemies, but uses their own power to recreate them. As you've pointed out, Dragoons/Summoners are using power -directly- from other sources to perform their arts. Maybe I'm wrong and Blue Mages keep eyes and ears of enemies and use them up to use skills in some kind of spell-reagent fashion. Somehow, I don't think they do. At least, I cannot see them doing so in FFXIV.

I was being facetious. Using it in the loosest definition. Blue Magic is iconic to the series with recurring abilities, which a handful of them already exist in game. Here are a few examples:

Mighty Guard exists in game as the tank's LB2 limit break. (I forgot about this thank you Valkyrie_Lenneth)
Aero and Stone have traditionally been blue magic abilities, though they have been relegated to CNJ/WHM.
Shadow Flare was an enemy skill in FF7, now it's an ACN/SMN/SCH skill.
Flash was an enemy skill (Jive) in FF4: After years, and is now a GLD/PLD skill
Freeze was blue magic in Final Fantasy 9. (Which interestingly enough, was a CNJ ability at level 44 in 1.0, then was given to BLM which retains it to this day.)

So there you have it, "blue magic" that exists in the game currently.

[Lewtskie]

So there you have it, blue magic that exists in the game currently.

They WERE until developers sought use for them otherwise. Recycled abilities mean nothing. (We play amid a franchise where recycling assets is among its lifeblood.) Aero, Stone, Freeze, and Flash exist in a game as not Blue Magic that had a Blue Mage in it. In some games they were, and in some they are not. Because some now exist in this game as other purposes holds no significant meaning other than those who made the game found use for abilities elsewhere.

[Shippuu]

They don't count as Blue Magic refers to a specific set of abilities that have been fairly consistent through out the final fantasy series. It's not primal energy that summoners use or dragoon abilities. I believe you know this but are being intellectually dishonest by creating a false equivalency with fin fantasy's blue magic and just any old ability used by mobs or bosses.

Cool, so you've actually just demolished your own Raubhan is a blue mage argument.

[Dorander]

They WERE until developers sought use for them otherwise. Recycled abilities mean nothing. (We play amid a franchise where recycling assets is among its lifeblood.) Aero, Stone, Freeze, and Flash exist in a game as not Blue Magic that had a Blue Mage in it. In some games they were, and in some they are not. Because some now exist in this game as other purposes holds no significant meaning other than those who made the game found use for abilities elsewhere.

That was my point, but thank you for spelling it out as well as you did. If someone wants to be a Blue Mage, all they have to do is RP it, since a few 'traditional' blue magic skill names exist in game, usable by current jobs.

[ErikMynhier]

I love this just keeps going on and on and on....

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I was being facetious. Using it in the loosest definition. Blue Magic is iconic to the series with recurring abilities, which a handful of them already exist in game. Here are a few examples:

Mighty Guard exists in game as the tank's LB2 limit break. (I forgot about this thank you Valkyrie_Lenneth)
Aero and Stone have traditionally been blue magic abilities, though they have been relegated to CNJ/WHM.
Shadow Flare was an enemy skill in FF7, now it's an ACN/SMN/SCH skill.
Flash was an enemy skill (Jive) in FF4: After years, and is now a GLD/PLD skill
Freeze was blue magic in Final Fantasy 9. (Which interestingly enough, was a CNJ ability at level 44 in 1.0, then was given to BLM which retains it to this day.)

So there you have it, "blue magic" that exists in the game currently.

White Wind is also one of the Healer LB's.

[SDaemon]

White Wind is also one of the Healer LB's.

That is Healing Wind. Unless it is named differently in JP. White Wind is a move used by Enkidu to heal Greg in Battle of the Big Keep though.

[Lewtskie]

That was my point, but thank you for spelling it out as well as you did. If someone wants to be a Blue Mage, all they have to do is RP it, since a few 'traditional' blue magic skill names exist in game, usable by current jobs.

You really will take anything out of context to build your strawmen. A ridiculous statement by you that no one should read and think to take you seriously anymore. Almost as ridiculous as the persistence in trying to qualify how well and job is known and loved by how many games it existed in, in essence or in actuality. Also means you have nothing constructive to contribute anymore. Good.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That is Healing Wind. Unless it is named differently in JP. White Wind is a move used by Enkidu to heal Greg in Battle of the Big Keep though.

Ah, right, it was healing wind. whoops.