So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Shippuu]

Shippu again with your tone. Assuming now that I don't know the definition of mental gymnastics? Seriously?

You can tone police all you want. I assumed you didn't know the definition because you displayed that you didn't know it by using it incorrectly, by applying it to reasoning that is a logical conclusion and acting like it's not the simplest logical conclusion.

1. First you dismiss the Blue mage because during the anniversary event. The NPC didn't add mage to the end of blue? Your argument is pure semantics. They were clearly referencing Black, White what comes after red or don't you mean Blue?

Funny how you conveniently ignore the fact the lines in the other 3 languages made zero references to colors or jobs regarding that. You can try and call it semantics all you want, but making an offhand indirect reference, and directly listing something by name, are very different things.

2. You said Blue mage has rarely appeared more than Samurai? That right there is a bold faced Lie. You can just count the games, heck go to the final fantasy wiki and type in blue mage and samurai and compare their appearances. You say that blue mage doesn't count because its not always refereed to blue magic. Again pure semantics your focusing on the words and not the substance.

I mean, you asked for this, and I'm going to throw you a bone and even count games where the blue mage wasn't even called blue mage and their abilities weren't even called blue magic (such as FFX-2's gun mage).

Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy Tactics A2
Final Fantasy Tactics S
Final Fantasy Type-0
Pictologica Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade
Final Fantasy All the Bravest
Final Fantasy Explorers

Total Tally: 15

Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy Type-0
Final Fantasy Explorers
Pictologica Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade
Final Fantasy All the Bravest
Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Mobius Final Fantasy

Total Tally: 16
And that's being generous and not counting other somewhat more obscure Final Fantasy games such as Final Fantasy Artniks where there is a Samurai but no Blue Mage. Or non-Final Fantasy titles that share the same classic jobs, such as Samurai Rising, which features a Samurai job, but not a Blue Mage. Or the latest Dissidia game, where Bartz has a move literally called Samurai that performs Gil Toss, making him a character that represents a Samurai. So yeah, you're wrong there too buddy. Samurai has made more appearances in Final Fantasy games than Blue Mage.

3. Raubhan: You claim he has nothing to do with Blue Mage? Where is your evidence. All you do is say he has nothing to do with Blue mage and hes just a throwback and means nothing.

You have no evidence he's a blue mage either except for extreme reaches. Him sharing a name means nothing, especially in Final Fantasy where tons of names of characters, weapons, monsters, abilities, share their name across the series yet have often drastic differences between iterations. Raubhan's actions in his initial rage was more akin to Warrior's Inner Beast than any blue magic. His animal theme motif is shared by other characters from the bloodsands and gladiatorial arenas, and Blue Mage has zero history of ever having animal themes (that's the domain of Beastmasters afterall). The Raubhan stuff is all reaching and a far cry from being an actual solid connection.

4. Again your belief That the Red and Blue color scheme mean absolutely nothing, that its just a coincidence is you again burring your head in the sand because it doesn't fit Samurai. You have no evidence that it means nothing, again that's just your belief and frankly believing that its all just a coincidence is akin to willful ignorance. You keep offering your opinion as if its gospel but its not.

I have no evidence it means nothing, but it's common sense that it's simply aesthetic choices. Just like you have no evidence it's what you imply it is. They're primary colors for god's sake, and there's been zero actual evidence from any of the team that the colors displayed are any kind of hint towards jobs being added.

5. Dark Knight wasn't too obvious? Scarlet Witch literally meaning red mage, wasnt too obvious compared to Silver Samurai? I see that you completely disregarded wolverine whom could have fit far more nicely as a samurai than spiderman. Yoshi-P already said the shirt didn't refer to sam raimi but you treat this too mean, oh no yes it does mean Sam Raimi. Samurai confirmed! Again you offer no proof that he actually meant the opposite of what he said, just your die hard belief that it means samurai.

Except he didn't say the shirt didn't refer to sam raimi, only that when asked about it he said there are more than one directors. That's a far cry from straight up saying "it has nothing to do with the directors." and is more in line with deflecting and playing coy. Y'know, just like he said the Scarlet Witch shirt had nothing to do with a job reveal. It's called reading between the lines.

7. Yes, Yoshi did say that Shogun was replaced by Dark Knight because Dark Knight fit more thematically with Ishgard. Well guess what, just because it was replaced does not mean that shogun is next in line. Also Shogun was replaced because it didn't fit the theme. How does Samurai fit the theme of Ala Mhigo more than a blue mage? The pattern of no real evidence but mere Opinions/Speculations continues with you.

The postponing of Samurai was two-fold. It was partly it didn't fit the Heavensward theme, and partly because they didn't want to release a second eastern themed job so close to Ninja's release. And guess what, things have changed, they learned from their mistake of gating the jobs into Ishgard access and thus the reasoning for why those jobs were connected to Ishgard. The new jobs are confirmed to be accessible in ARR areas, meaning the prior restriction of needing to fit thematically with the city are gone, as well as enough time has passed since Ninja's release that another eastern job is viable. Neither of them need to fit the theme of Ala Mhigo at all.

In conclusion, you offer nothing but opinions as evidence that Samurai is the next class. You dismiss speculation about blue mage but you argue semantics/wordplay and offer your own samurai speculations as fact. Sorry, I remain unconvinced. Nothing you argued confirms samurai over blue mage. Your arguments are OPINIONS just like mine.

You can continue to live in your denial then. You can ignore the evidence until you're blue (hah) in the face.

[ErikMynhier]

Originally Posted by Final Fantasy Games where Samurai was a job or had a character representing said job
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy XII
Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Legend 2
Final Fantasy Type-0
Final Fantasy Explorers
Pictologica Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy Airborne Brigade
Final Fantasy All the Bravest
Final Fantasy Record Keeper
Mobius Final Fantasy

Sorry, you missed one. Samurai was in FFTA2 also under the name Parivir (Youjimbo in the JP version). Wasn't out and out called Samurai but it was. So the count would be 17.

Also are you counting the Bravery Default series?