So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[Vexander]

They shared lore saying its Sharlayan?

They did not. It's speculation at this point that Red Mage is connected to Sharlayan.

Alisaie has literally nothing to do with Red Mage.

This is an insightful and well reasoned statement listing not only facts but personal interpretation of them without bias. /sarcasm

[GMERC]

This is an insightful and well reasoned statement listing not only fact but personal interpretation of them without bias. /sarcasm

I must have missed the part in the RDM trailer where the Red Mage summoned a glowing pink Serpent Officer's Longsword from a book and then proceeded to use Paladin abilities in combat.

[WistariaEyes]

I must have missed the part in the RDM trailer where the Red Mage summoned a glowing pink Serpent Officer's Longsword from a book and then proceeded to use Paladin abilities in combat.

To be fair Alphinaud is considered an Arcanist but his fighting style is slightly different from WoL Arcanist. That may apply to Alisaie and RDM as well.

[Shippuu]

However why on earth would they put in the red mage and sam files now six months early when they know about data mining. Yoshida has specifically spoken out against data mining in live letters and interviews and how he wants them to stop.

Personally it doesn't make sense nor the Sam Raimi samurai theory. Where did you get this info that Red mage comes from Sharlaya? Is it just because its a mage? Personally I think some people want Samurai so badly that they don't even want to entertain the idea that it could be something different.

You assume they intentionally put the SAM files in right now and it wasn't simply an oversight/mistake that they weren't removed from the update going out. Developers are human after-all and are certainly being worked incredibly hard as they make Stormblood right now, it's far more likely that someone simply made a mistake and slipped them in or forgot to take them out.


And just because you don't think the Sam Raimi thing is a valid theory doesn't change that it's still plausible especially from the JP side of things, in which his name spelled out literally reads Samurai(mi). As for Red Mage, it's visual style is identical to Sharlayan aesthetics on top of it's weapon and the concept of a mage that develops a new kind of magic by combining white and black magic. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

[Shippuu]

I'am waiting for Time Mage since it was really confirmed by Cyn in Hildibrand quest.

Except if you actually paid attention to the quest, especially in 3.5, you'd know it is not time magic.

[frankenbeans]

You assume they intentionally put the SAM files in right now and it wasn't simply an oversight/mistake that they weren't removed from the update going out. Developers are human after-all and are certainly being worked incredibly hard as they make Stormblood right now, it's far more likely that someone simply made a mistake and slipped them in or forgot to take them out.


And just because you don't think the Sam Raimi thing is a valid theory doesn't change that it's still plausible especially from the JP side of things, in which his name spelled out literally reads Samurai(mi). As for Red Mage, it's visual style is identical to Sharlayan aesthetics on top of it's weapon and the concept of a mage that develops a new kind of magic by combining white and black magic. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

I can agree in the possibility of human error; however, This is apparently the same thing that happened with the Scholar reveal in the early 2.0 beta as SCH was data mined, revealing the class. To say that they did not learn from that mistake on such a huge reveal for an upcoming expansion borders on incompetence/intentional on the part of whoever is in charge of the patching the content.

Yoshi-P has spoken out against Data mining in interviews of the past so he is full aware these kind of things happen. It is honestly just hard for me to believe that they wouldn't have some sort of precautions to prevent big leaks like this, especially so early on before a big event like an upcoming fan fest, spoiling the big news.

Honestly, Yoshi has also commented on the past that he wants players to feel excited about upcoming content and be surprised. To me, a leak like this is a red hearing to through us off so that we Will be surprised at the Fan Fest ie 3 new classes (Blue Mage Tank, Red Mage DPS, Dancer Healer)

A man can dream can't he?

[Shippuu]

I can agree in the possibility of human error; however, This is apparently the same thing that happened with the Scholar reveal in the early 2.0 beta as SCH was data mined, revealing the class. To say that they did not learn from that mistake on such a huge reveal for an upcoming expansion borders on incompetence/intentional on the part of whoever is in charge of the patching the content.

While SCH leaked through data mining, it was certainly a different kind of leak, of which they certainly learned from that. This is simply a different mistake, potentially even from an entirely different team/person. Even then, people are human and the team is always worked hard during normal cycles, adding on the expansion stuff they're doing. So it's more likely neither intentional nor incompetence, but simply human error as these things usually always are.

Yoshi-P has spoken out against Data mining in interviews of the past so he is full aware these kind of things happen. It is honestly just hard for me to believe that they wouldn't have some sort of precautions to prevent big leaks like this, especially so early on before a big event like an upcoming fan fest, spoiling the big news.

No one is perfect. Accidents happen. You're being a bit ridiculous at this point. I mean just look at the recent new year's livestream event Yoshida took part in, where due to some communication error Yoshida's character was placed on the wrong server which made the game appear to be void of players which caused a huge amount of bad PR for FFXIV. That was also something that shouldn't have happened, but guess what, it did because mistakes happen.

Honestly, Yoshi has also commented on the past that he wants players to feel excited about upcoming content and be surprised. To me, a leak like this is a red hearing to through us off so that we Will be surprised at the Fan Fest ie 3 new classes (Blue Mage Tank, Red Mage DPS, Dancer Healer)

By this logic then, Blue Mage is completely disqualified (as is Beastmaster) considering he talked about both jobs during the JP fanfest on stage (on top of him diverting the topic from a Samurai/Shogun tank conversation by bringing up Blue Mage and talking about his old idea for it to be a non-group content monster collecting mini-game essentially). Because he wouldn't discuss the jobs so plainly if they were going to be revealed in 2 months.

[Shougun]

I doubt it would be Raubahn. If anything Raubahn would be BLU and not RDM.
He fought a lot like a BLU during the scene that you mentioned. One of the abilities that he used was actually a lot like Ifrit's Radiant Plume (Which places red circles in the outer part of the arena and then the inner part).

Also (I know a lot of people hate it when XI is brought up but..) there was an NPC in XI named Raubahn who was a blue mage. I know the games aren't related at all but I thought it was a nice reference and perhaps it meant something.

I apologize if this has already been reposted, I'm trying to catch up on this big thread - but your keen reference made me go look deeper (can't believe I didn't notice since I loved my BLU in FFXI lol)

Tizona is a blue mage exclusive weapon (in FFXI), a weapon he uses in the fight we were just talking about. The group lead by XI Raubhan was Immortal Lions, and in FFXIV by the same name it's Immortal Flames lol. As well, both have similar duties of being an elite group that guards the city and serving the empress.

Of course as you already mentioned he uses a bunch of abilities from Ifrit and that one bull attack (FFXI's limit break is The Beast Within if that means anything). He's made an inhumane roar before (could just be "epic" roar, but I thought it different enough). Being able to learn from your enemy and use monstrous (literally) attacks would make you an excellent gladiator for sure (not gladiator the class, but the activity in which FFXIV's Raubahn gained great wealth). He wields a scimitar like weapon which we'd be used to seeing in FFXI, even more so dual wielding before he became all right. He's massively scarred, good sign of someone who takes a lot of beatings and as a Blue Mage that can be your knowledge and life blood of your power.

He has quote, that I've narrowed to ". . . The battlefield is the best and worst of places. Where else can a man's enemy become his mentor, . . .". That's some blue mage logic right there! (Could be applied by other classes of course, but that is extremely befitting of a blue mage).

Finally, he's from Ala Mhigo - he's from the east.

So your reference isn't just a name, it screams parallel xD. Now I'm set on Raubahn being an NPC Blue Mage (NPC meaning they always get haxxed versions of abilities, and illegal items).

Yoshida, please don't turn Blue Mage into some side game - let Raubahn be my mentor .

[frankenbeans]

Shippu, I don't think it is ridiculous to have faith and confidence in Square Enix as a company that they can get their act together. If thats silly, Shame on me for believing that then. So your inferring that Yoshi-P is now okay with data mining since things can change?

Look I take it that you want Samurai pretty badly. That's okay, it's great to be passionate about something. But that doesn't mean all other job possibilities are invalid. Just because of some data files does not confirm Samurai especially how much of a troll Yoshi-P can be. Honestly February can't come fast enough so we can settle this once and for all. I still believe Blue is a viable option instead of Sam, heck even dancer just as viable as Sam.

[Shippuu]

Shippu, I don't think it is ridiculous to have faith and confidence in Square Enix as a company that they can get their act together. If thats silly, Shame on me for believing that then. So your inferring that Yoshi-P is now okay with data mining since things can change?

It's a bit ridiculous if it gets to a point where you think the company is infallable, writing off potential accidents or mistakes as being conspiracy theory levels of trolling or misderection. How you jumped to the conclusion I'm saying Yoshida is okay with data mining is beyond me however.

Look I take it that you want Samurai pretty badly. That's okay, it's great to be passionate about something. But that doesn't mean all other job possibilities are invalid. Just because of some data files does not confirm Samurai especially how much of a troll Yoshi-P can be.

My desire for Samurai is no secret, but there's a difference between my bias being backed up with actual hard evidence (multiple instances of that as well, not simply the data files), and your bias causing you to perform mental gymnastics to disregard/ignore/dismiss evidence because it doesn't support your desires.