So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[ADVSS]

yeah the BLU is really touchy subject i cant really say will or wont work either way, it can be made but people may not be very satisfied, i was more of a rdm fan than a blu so im not as terribly sentimental about it as someone who is a big fan of BLU would be. For balance sake, we all know exactly what formula will have to be taken, and exactly how many skills and traits(for now) they will get every x levels, and then theres the role-forcing its skill set to mostly lean a certain way, if just an open world jpb for anything besides dungeons trials and raids, maybe. probably not instance pvp either, Or BLU could do both, and the books/spells could be given to a companion chocobo or something, while in dungeons itd have the same typical role-based skill set. Bad ideas, i know im sorry

[Rosalynd]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

[Vexander]

I could see Blue Mage being added with the current combat formula in mind. DPs, Tank, Healer, filling one of those roles. The idea of being a Professor of Monsters isn't mutually exclusive as others have said. The idea of it being a job-specific hunt log/sightseeing log is quite appealing to be honest. Blue Mage enabling an in-game bestiary would be fantastic. Seeing something unique like that for other jobs would likewise be pretty interesting. I'd love if Black Mages could gather information about different kinds of Voidsent. Or if Paladin was able to fight various, 'Champions,' of Eorzea, building a bit of background on characters, such as the Company of Heroes.

Obviously you can't really do something like that with every job, but I think it would still be a fascinating addition to the game and really help make the Jobs have more flavor and individuality from one another.

[GMERC]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

This silly complaint again? Listen, I literally subbed to FFXIV in hopes of Dark Knight being announced, got it announced 4 months later, and was more than satisfied with it being a Tank. Would it have been cool to have a DPS that uses its HP as a resource? Maybe, but I can't imagine myself trusting random healers to keep me in a good spot healthwise, nor do I think it would necessarily be a good idea to design a DPS job that needs babysitting from a healer. It sounds like what you really wanted was a job that would be built as the star of the show (a Carry role), and have a job that could be catered to and bring the best damage to a situation, and that's just not a good design in this sort of game at all.

All in all, I'd have been all right with either a Tank DRK or a DPS DRK, just as I'll be ok with a Tank SAM or a DPS SAM, despite my preference being for the latter. I'm not going to pretend that Square Enix "butcher bastardized" the job just because they do something I don't like with it. Get over yourself.

Next you'll tell me DRK should have used a Scythe and throw away whatever credibility you might have had.

[Shippuu]

Just a reminder to a lot of people arguing in this thread, but currently a DRK is a DRK in visual aesthetics only. Expect whatever class is coming up next to either be completely new or be a butchered bastardised version of your "vision" for the class.

DRK encapsulates every notable aspect of past DRK'S except for that it doesn't sacrifice HP, which it still partially has at least in spirit by having such strict resource costs for Dark Arts. It's far from a "bastardization", stop being dramatic.

The only argument this really works for is perhaps Summoner.

Edit: Also, it's entirely possible we will see a future DRK ability that does sacrifice a bit of HP. I wouldn't fault SE for holding such a thing back until people were more comfortable/adjusted to the job or gating it at a higher level after players can be more experienced to at least hopefully use the skill better. I for one hope they do add at least one such skill, if only to put an end to the viewpoint that the job is somehow incorrectly implemented/executed

[Rosalynd]

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You may have had a point if i was one of those "ermahgerd scythes" goons, but i am not. To me, the dark knight is someone who uses their own life force to augment their attacks with dark magic. An aspect that so far has not appeared in game. They tried with magic drain and kinda failed.

Don't get me wrong, i like the dark knight in its current iteration, is even my main, but you are a delusional fool if you think it has ANYTHING to do with past iterations of the job outside of visual aesthetics, and this is my point. People expect a certain thing with blue mage or samurai or whatever, but as XIV has shown, they don't really give a damn about past iterations and people need to realise that. What you expect a blue mage to be may be entirely unrelated to what the end product could end up as.

Also, off topic, but that picture outs you as the epitome of an edgelord, male xaela au ra death knight, all checkboxes ticked!.

Edit cause type limit: And lol, get over myself? pot calling kettle black there mate.

[GMERC]

You may have had a point if i was one of those "ermahgerd scythes" goons, but i am not. To me, the dark knight is someone who uses their own life force to augment their attacks with dark magic. An aspect that so far has not appeared in game. They tried with magic drain and kinda failed.

I pretty clearly laid out why what you're suggesting isn't something that would work in this game, though. It's the kind of mechanic that's extremely shaky in anything that isn't either a singleplayer game or something you build your entire party around bolstering.

Also, off topic, but that picture outs you as the epitome of an edgelord, male xaela au ra death knight, all checkboxes ticked!.

Can't out somebody with nothing to hide, little miss Shadow the Hedgehog.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Dark Knight in Tactics is similar. They absorbs HP and MP off enemies with skills, didn't sacrifice HP (that I remember)

Edit: they had 2 sac HP skills, but otherwise, its a pretty good fit. Saccing HP as a tank would be a bad idea in an MMO.

[Dualblade]

I actually went reading through a bit about Dark Knights in various Final Fantasy games. On the whole most DKs don't have many HP-draining abilities (usually two at most), though some had more then that. Bravely Default actually seems to have had the most amount of such. XI also seems to be a bit higher having three from what I see either draining-HP or being dependant on damage taken. They also had a move that decreased their defense for more attack.

While XIV DK doesn't have any HP-Sacrificing moves, nothing says the devs might not add them in at some point. The more levels we get the more one SHOULD be better at their job as well as those around them, plus given how much we see healers talk about how healing by itself isn't that bad/too easy something like Darkness could be seen as a way to keep them on their toes as well...so long as it has the potency to make up for the loss of Healer DPS in the eyes of the player base.

As an aside, it would probably be a good idea to stop snipping/name-calling each other. Noone is going to see eye-to-eye when everyone is being aggressive against each other.

[Rosalynd]

I pretty clearly laid out why what you're suggesting isn't something that would work in this game, though. It's the kind of mechanic that's extremely shaky in anything that isn't either a singleplayer game or something you build your entire party around bolstering.

So basically we agree on the reasons something like a blue mage is not going to be what people want it to be.

Can't out somebody with nothing to hide, little miss Shadow the Hedgehog.

Ohhhh, scathing.