So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[frankenbeans]

Shippuu has provided you with factual, check-able "proof" time and again. I believe at this point someone (you, Frankenbeans) just refuses to accept it, but hey.. if you want to bury your head in the sand and refuse to see it.. go for it. February cannot get here fast enough.

So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.
There is No Samurai in FF9. Steiner is not a Samurai but a Knight, making his Samurai list a total of 15

So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

[Dorander]

So I went and checked his "proof".

He can't even count correctly. He conveniently forgets to add FF8's Quistis Trepe making it 16. He doesn't Add blue mage from final fantasy explorers but yet does so on Samurai. Bringing Blue mage up to 17. There WAS NO SAMURAI in Final Fantasy 9 as Steiner was not a samurai but a Knight. -1 for samurai. If we are counting Bravely Defaults Sword master as Samurai then We count Vampire and Catmancer as Blue mage. Blue mage was in the game data of final fantasy record keeper but Ill be generous and leave it off.

So To repeat he left off FF8 and Final Fantasy Explorers from his Blue list. Making Total it a Total of 17.
There is No Samurai in FF9. Steiner is not a Samurai but a Knight, making his Samurai list a total of 15

So there you go. I am willing to believe that it was just a simple counting error and was not intentional but there's your proof that Blue Mage made more appearances than Samurai.

Final fantasy Games with Samurai in it:

5
6
9
10
10-2
11
12
lightning returns
tactics
legend 2
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Dissidia 2015
Explorers
Pictologica
Airborne brigade
artniks
all the bravest
record keeper
mobius
trade card game
Tactics 2 (as Parivir)

So, your numbers are off too, 22 times has Samurai been in a "final fantasy" game, though if you want to get technical, you can subtract parivir since it's not 'called' samurai.

Final fantasy games with Blue Mage in it:

5
6
8
9
10
11
lightning returns
tactics advance
tactics advance 2
tactics S
Type-0
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Airborne brigade
all the bravest
Record Keeper (the sprite is in the files but not playable)
Pictologica
Explorers
Trading card game

19 times has it been in a game with final fantasy in the title. (I even spotted you one with record keeper)

Now who's numbers are off?

[frankenbeans]

Final fantasy Games with Samurai in it:

5
6
9
10
10-2
11
12
lightning returns
tactics
legend 2
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Dissidia 2015
Explorers
Pictologica
Airborne brigade
artniks
all the bravest
record keeper
mobius
trade card game
Tactics 2 (as Parivir)

So, your numbers are off too, 22 times has Samurai been in a "final fantasy" game, though if you want to get technical, you can subtract parivir since it's not 'called' samurai.

Final fantasy games with Blue Mage in it:

5
6
8
9
10
11
lightning returns
tactics advance
tactics advance 2
tactics S
Type-0
Dissidia
Dissidia 012
Airborne brigade
all the bravest
Record Keeper (the sprite is in the files but not playable)
Pictologica
Explorers
Trading card game

19 times has it been in a game with final fantasy in the title. (I even spotted you one with record keeper)

Now who's numbers are off?

Your numbers are off. Surprise Surprise.

You don't add FF7 enemy skill which is blue magic +1

Bartz uses blue magic in Dissidia 2015 +1

Gun Mage used blue magic in 10-2 +1

FF9's steiner is not a samurai but a Knight -1 for samurai

Stragos a blue mage/loremaster is in artniks +1 for blue mage
*Stragos is also in record keeper by the way along with those blue mage sprites*

so by that count we are at 24 for blue mage
and 21 for Samurai.

Heck Final Fantasy IV the after years had a blue mage dancer hybrid so 25 if you want to count that. Imagine if the class is a Blue mage dancer hybrid that uses blue ribbons/scarves like spider mans webs. Wouldn't that be awesome.

Look we can keep this up all day but its not gonna solve anything. Look guys my whole point is not that Blue mage is coming over samurai, It's that Samurai is not a guaranteed shoe in and that there is equal possibility that it can be another job. I am not against the samurai class in fact Id like to see it eventually as a DPS (hopefully not a tank). Im saying that the samurai "proofs" are the same as blue mage "proofs" and that blue mage is just as valid. Im just here in this thread to speculate about possible jobs the spiderman shirt could represent. I'm not here to pick fights.

[hagare]

Shippuu, you offer nothing but opinions again. They aren't more valid than my own or others on the possibility that its not samurai. Projecting much about living in denial? You are surrounding your self in a bubble to block out anything that could possibly contradict Samurai is the next job. A samurais only Safe Space if you will. Nowadays people seem to have great difficulty knowing the difference of what is an opinion vs objective truth, something they should have learned in school. I take it in your case while others where learning this concept in school you studied the blade?

I'm just gonna point out that the reasons why samurai was chosen over dark knight is something that Yoshida actually said in an interview.
So you're wrong and he's right.

[frankenbeans]

I'm just gonna point out that the reasons why samurai was chosen over dark knight is something that Yoshida actually said in an interview.
So you're wrong and he's right.

No I am not wrong. He said so at the past London fan festival.

I am new to the forums so I don't know the rules for posting links to other websites. So if its against them forgive me and I will take it down

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs...ew/673698.html
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...rview_summary/

[ErikMynhier]

We all got it wrong, the shirt hints to a brand new Job...

SPIDERMANCERS!!!!

[Vexander]

I think we're all getting side-tracked here.

Counting the number of titles in which Samurai and Blue Mage have been included doesn't seem like it will relate to FFXIV all that much, particularly as FFXIV is a stand-alone game. I agree with Frankenbeans, a number of Pro-Samurai players are highly vocal and tend to be aggressive both in tone and content, as if by intimidating others into silence, it will somehow increase the odds that the Spiderman shirt references Samurai. I also don't think these people need necessarily be acknowledged beyond the content of their posts. There's little point in policing tone, when the internet is a pretty terrible place to convey such subtle aspects of conversation.

Logic indicates the Spider-Man Shirt (the topic of this thread by it's very title) would reference Blue Mage. It takes, 'Mental Gymnastics,' to convince one's self or others differently. Spiderman's very story is that of a Blue Mage, in essence.
Logic indicates through data-mined files that there is a high probably that Samurai will be added in Stormblood. These files could be false and meant to lead us astray, but they're still more solid than speculation on a shirt.

Looking at the two above, I can't help but conclude we'll get both Samurai and Blue Mage in Stormblood. Spiderman's shirt references Blue Mage, and Samurai files have already been added to the game files. Seems pretty simple and straightforward. The -true-, 'Mental Gymnastics,' are the assumptions we'll only get -2- new classes for Stormblood.

[Lewtskie]

Looking at the two above, I can't help but conclude we'll get both Samurai and Blue Mage in Stormblood. Spiderman's shirt references Blue Mage, and Samurai files have already been added to the game files. Seems pretty simple and straightforward. The -true-, 'Mental Gymnastics,' are the assumptions we'll only get -2- new classes for Stormblood.

RDM has a very strong Sharlayan aesthetic and Samurai is of Doman origin, were it just to be these two classes to be introduced the entire expansion it'd be a shame to not be introduced to any more disciplines of Ala Mhigan origin. If the link to Rhauban can be made, then having BLU be that discipline would be interesting.

We will see the reveal of the second job for launch at the final fan fest, and the reveal or possibly even a hint of one to come after the release. Something more intrinsically tied to Ala Mhigo or the situation there and perhaps becomes available as the story of SB unfolds.

[RaijinSupreme]

snip

I agree. If anything, we will get both. there are clear signs leading to both.

However, Yoshi-P did say a while back (I believe before HW came out, don't quote me, though) that it was extremely difficult for the dev team to create 3 jobs, and it was something they would never want to do again. So its pretty safe to assume that we are getting 2. Not definite, just safe.

Also, they do have to put in a lot of time in the revamping of the battle system, which I'm sure if a huge feat. That can definitely take away development time of a 3rd job, or quite honestly it could make the development of a 3rd job easier. Who knows.

IF I had to guess, I would say both SAM & BLU. At least that's what I'm hoping for.

[Iromi]

Personally I don't think it matters how many times any job appears. Look at ast lol. Yoshida just said the next job announced will be true to ff. Guess that's subjective.

I never considered samurai to be FF like at all really, just my opinion. I just remember it as a slow job I'd have to use in FFT to unlock other jobs that would heal and break a sword every time I used a skill. Cyan in ff6 was so slow I never used him either..lol

Steiner is a knight with a few Sam skills. Sorry but samurai don't wield the Excalibur(2), his bis weapon. He is the leader of knights of Pluto and his damn quote he calls himself a knight. And if need be I can scan my book where it lists him as a "knight"

FF9 is one of my favorites and for sure he is not listed or considered a Samurai...

Unless some of you want the Sam relic to be Excalibur lol.

Either way its in the dats so there is a very high chance it's coming in 4.0. They'll find a way to fit it into the xiv battle system and you'll see a billion lf them. . Then all the people who would love to have samurai can finally go play it and better hope its good and not homogenized like the other jobs.

It's funny cuz in xi my bf was a bis sam with mythic, relic and full salvage way back in the day and even he said who cares if they bring it because it will just end up like ninja (in the sense that its a job he didnt enjoy, multi hit animations with one damage number no ty) or how every job feels samey.

At least it will bring all my anime buddies back for a month before they quit again. >.>