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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    Again, this seems like a muted argument to make. Its like if the fight were between two mages, one with a White Glow around them, the other with a Black Glow around them.

    "She uses Mage Skills. She fights like a Mage. The next expansion features Mages. She's probably a Mage."
    Thats...not a great rebuttal. Monks are a SPECIFIC Job in this game, and the woman in red fights like one. Its easy to believe she is a Monk instead of a new Job who's fighting style is extremely similar to Monk.

    Meanwhile your argument makes it more obvious that one would be a White mage and the other Black Mage while only saying "mage", and even then it would be a correct presumption because its obvious the character is a Mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    Again, this seems like a muted argument to make. Its like if the fight were between two mages, one with a White Glow around them, the other with a Black Glow around them.

    "She uses Mage Skills. She fights like a Mage. The next expansion features Mages. She's probably a Mage."
    Ok, but they didn't show off any of the new jobs in any of the announcement trailers. No smn/sch, nothing from 3.0. It makes sense, as 3.0 featured drg, and the trailer showed drgs, and 4.0 is supposed to make monk the main focus, and thus, trailer shows monks.
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    I'm not saying the woman isn't a monk, just that it's a bit of a fallacy to say there can only ever be -1- class making use of martial arts. Its like saying there can only be -1- class making use of magic. I'm just trying to offer a point of view on why people saw the trailer and thought, 'Dancer,' instead of, 'Another Monk.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    Monks are a SPECIFIC Job in this game, and the woman in red fights like one. Its easy to believe she is a Monk instead of a new Job who's fighting style is extremely similar to Monk.
    With 4.0 cross class system will change!
    They already said it will focus more on the role and not on the job, so its possible we can choose from all meele skills as "meele DPS" and so on...

    Edit: my mistake, should have written "(..) it may be possible that (..)" wasnt trying to say that they plan on doing so

    Still, we will have Unique Job Skills too - my guess is because of how each job is getting their stacks and power ups (just think on how diablo3 does it)
    They will not begin from scratch, so i think it is some sort of buff management or chain system to make some skills "better" for your job than others...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukiko View Post
    With 4.0 cross class system will change!
    They already said it will focus more on the role and not on the job, so its possible we can choose from all meele skills as "meele DPS" and so on...
    Still, we will have Unique Job Skills too - my guess is because of how each job is getting their stacks and power ups (just think on how diablo3 does it)
    They will not begin from scratch, so i think it is some sort of buff management or chain system to make some skills "better" for your job than others...
    No. That is not happening. They are moving must have skills for various roles into Role based skill sets.

    "Must have" skills such as Provoke and Cleric Stance will be part of the Tank and Healer Role Additional skill lists respectively. You will not be required to level Gladiator or Conjurer to unlock them.
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    I see a lot of people speculating based on the woman in the trailer, discussing if she is a DNC or a MNK. That woman obvipusly isn't Uda, she doesn't have the tattoos in her neck, which wasn't forgotten by SE because in ARR opening you see her tattoo.

    Sooooo that's certain to be here sister. Being her sister, an Ala Mhigan and being parte of the resistance, she probably was trained with martial arts like Yda, but why couldn't she develop a love and interest in Dancing, mixing martial arts (offensive stance) with dancing moves/posture (buff/debuff/healing stance)?

    So I'm hoping, and want só bad, SE is bringing DNC. Come to papa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazinhart View Post
    I see a lot of people speculating based on the woman in the trailer, discussing if she is a DNC or a MNK. That woman obvipusly isn't Uda, she doesn't have the tattoos in her neck, which wasn't forgotten by SE because in ARR opening you see her tattoo.

    Sooooo that's certain to be here sister. Being her sister, an Ala Mhigan and being parte of the resistance, she probably was trained with martial arts like Yda, but why couldn't she develop a love and interest in Dancing, mixing martial arts (offensive stance) with dancing moves/posture (buff/debuff/healing stance)?

    So I'm hoping, and want só bad, SE is bringing DNC. Come to papa!
    I hope so. If they don't they'll miss the perfect chance to introduce DNC with a really cool backstory ; ; and yeah, the lack of tattoo speaks for itself really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazinhart View Post
    So I'm hoping, and want só bad, SE is bringing DNC. Come to papa!
    Sorry to disappoint, watch the trailer carefully and compare her movements to MNK attacks, there are literally MNK animations woven into her "dance". (No DNC isnt branching from PGL).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blazinhart View Post
    I see a lot of people speculating based on the woman in the trailer, discussing if she is a DNC or a MNK. That woman obvipusly isn't Uda, she doesn't have the tattoos in her neck, which wasn't forgotten by SE because in ARR opening you see her tattoo.

    Sooooo that's certain to be here sister. Being her sister, an Ala Mhigan and being parte of the resistance, she probably was trained with martial arts like Yda, but why couldn't she develop a love and interest in Dancing, mixing martial arts (offensive stance) with dancing moves/posture (buff/debuff/healing stance)?

    So I'm hoping, and want só bad, SE is bringing DNC. Come to papa!
    While I'm fine with it being her sister, it also isn't "obviously" her either because of the lack of neck tattoo's. Including them in the trailer would have been a massive give away to 3.5 and/or 4.0. Even the 3.5 art is oddly missing the neck tattoo's of Yda. Also in the Heavensward teaser trailer every dragon was Hreasvalger. There's not certain until 3.5 or 3.55 which Yoshi said we'll be meeting that character.

    Also MNK is heavily based on the Chinese systems of Martial Arts which are known for fluid and dance-like movements. All I see honestly is a very performance based opening to a Baguazhang form, not actual dancing. I'm all for dancer but if they do it I'd personally like it to be a bit more "less Monk" than what the woman was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualblade View Post
    Thats...not a great rebuttal. Monks are a SPECIFIC Job in this game, and the woman in red fights like one. Its easy to believe she is a Monk instead of a new Job who's fighting style is extremely similar to Monk.
    I know however, monks do not fight with cloth and break the armory system we have by using a one handed retractable blade and cloth ><



    http://www.myplaystationwallpapers.n...lood-amano.jpg

    I am not saying she is a dancer 100%, but I can confirm following the armory system this woman is not a monk by normal standards. Monks use two handed weapons..she just has the blade. (You can find more artwork of her with the blade and CGI images and read about it in interviews) The second the trailer was first shown my boyfriend and I looked at each other and jynx said "DANCER!!!" because, well..I do dancing for a living and we do Aerials all the time along with all the other stuff she did...so that is what instantly popped up in our head. The beginning part where it shows her looks exactly like a lot of the dances I do.

    After that though, with the kicks and such..I can see where people relate it to a monk, for sure.

    Anyway though, I would say...if she is not a dancer she is just simply a unique NPC with no particular job.

    And to answer someone else asked why we see it as a FF dancer or how it fits in? I think just the way Yoshida put in MCH (It is nothing like the MCH in FF12 or FFT) I can see him doing the same with dancer. In the original FFT, Dancer was a pure debuffer and you would just try to hide them in a safe corner and dance. The dance would go off randomly and hit every monster on the field, regardless of how far away they were. Most dancers in the FF series were like this. The one in FFV was awful however, and barely did anything at all. It had an ability called "Flirt" haha.

    So yeah, I would hope if Yoshida is bringing DNC to this game...he does not make it traditional at all, how lame would it be to just stand there and dance and randomly hit monsters in the entire instance? That does not even make sense. Of course it would have to change to fit into FFXIV as every job as thus far. Look at summoner...haha.

    Also I wonder if people think SAM will be like SAM in FFT or the original FF Samurai. I guess you better have tons of inventory space because you'll need to carry around disposable swords. Also SAM was always VERY slow. In FFT it would take forever to get its turn...and then it would pull out the sword and either heal near by PT members, restore MP, or do some attack on near by mobs then go back to standing there. Oh and every time you took out the sword to use one of the Samurai's skills, it could break lol.

    In FF5 SAM would throw money..haha. So just saying, its okay to put in traditional FF jobs..be it SAM or DNC, but they'd have to be changed a bit :P
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    Last edited by Iromi; 01-07-2017 at 06:11 AM. Reason: typos

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