Red mage coming

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

In every class based game I've played, you pick what class you want to play and... level that.

Conversely, in literally every class based game I've ever played, especially with ones where you can have multiple jobs unlocked per character, you're never given access to the full spread from the word go. In some games, you need to progress a certain point past the story to unlock new jobs, in some, you need to spend some time as one or more different classes to unlock another class, and in still others, you need to find drops in order to actually unlock a job. So, yes, it very much feels fair to me.

None of the above are from mobile games, either, I'm talking about full games.

Anyone else got some swag vibes off the trailer for Red Mage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht6LWFFCPUw

Red Mage confirmed the Yu Narukami Job

Not much of a fan personally. I'm more annoyed that weapon play is of secondary importance, as I've always considered magic to be the back up of the red mage rather than the other way around. That vpose is win though.

[Duelle]

Not much of a fan personally. I'm more annoyed that weapon play is of secondary importance, as I've always considered magic to be the back up of the red mage rather than the other way around.

I feel the same way. From what we've been shown it seems spamming nuke combos is the core of the job's gameplay, with using the weapon being a mere gimmick. Which is generally not how spellblades/magic swordsmen work; the magic is often used in tandem with the sword or as back-up to it, not the other way around.

The ranged label also worries me, because it means it shares gear with black mage (all those flowing robes instead of stuff you would expect a front-line mage to wear). The AF's aesthetic is nice, and they chose the right weapon. The rest just doesn't look right. I still want to see the ability list, see the mechanics behind the job and test it out, but I'm not impressed.

I won't deny it's still a step above refresh-botting, though.

[ZhaneX]

The ranged label also worries me, because it means it shares gear with black mage (all those flowing robes instead of stuff you would expect a front-line mage to wear).

I disagree with the immediate naysaying over how the job plays, when we've only seen a couple of actions, and had no in-depth look nor chance to play it yet. Personally, I thought the first video showed a good blend of long-range and close-range skills.

What I do agree with though is worry about the gear available to it clashing with the Job's own aesthetic. One can hope that with the coming system expansions, they'll make the glamour system more versatile, or include more Job-specific equipment. Or both.

[Naunet]

Conversely, in literally every class based game I've ever played, especially with ones where you can have multiple jobs unlocked per character, you're never given access to the full spread from the word go. In some games, you need to progress a certain point past the story to unlock new jobs, in some, you need to spend some time as one or more different classes to unlock another class, and in still others, you need to find drops in order to actually unlock a job. So, yes, it very much feels fair to me.

I really don't understand how you can feel it's okay to force someone to play a third of the game as something they may not want and may not even like before they can get to what they want. This is a game. It should be encouraging fun.

I don't understand why people are throwing a fit at the job potentially being at level 50. We're in the second expansion pack soon, yet you want to go back to ARR areas and run butt old dungeons yet again? Or are you just going to spam Palace of the Dead like with everything else?

We like leveling. For me, leveling is 80% of what I do in an MMO; I tend to have a large number of alts that I will play to cap but very rarely engage with them seriously (except for one that I "main") once they hit level cap. Starting at 50 also means you have to slog through the annoying ARR MSQ before you can touch it, which was ridiculous with HW (and they even ACKNOWLEDGED that the HW jobs being locked behind ARR was a mistake) and is ridiculous now.

so you can begin the game with RDM available at Lv10

Where has this been mentioned at all?

[Imoen]

I like leveling as well.

This past week, I feel like I'm the only person that likes leveling anymore

Not that it matters much for me, but 30 would have been an understandable place to start because that is when you get job stone.

Like, seriously, all I would have done the first hour or so was work out bars and read tool tips, could have spent that time actually playing, instead of just reading the manual.

I don't understand the whole like Ranged DPS and melee thing. Does this mean they are going to punish point blank casting now or... are they just saying it can be cast from a range like nin? Or is it just like a stance thing?... confused.