Fine-Tuning PLD rotation - tips?

[Chubby13]

Are your healers well geared? Is one solo healing the fights? Which jobs are your healers? Since it could be that your healers are not performing optimally. If they require you to be 100% in tankstance because they complaining about the damage you taking then you need to manage your CD's properly or they need to know how to precast their heals properly.

Having no NIN is not the end of the world, just you holding yourself and the DRK back in DPS.

The BLM I would actually highly suggest that they get Quelling Strikes since not having it in a raid environment is just bad on their side since it require you to use more of your aggro combo rather than your Royal Authority combo... and if they not having aggro issues without Quelling then they are doing something wrong on BLM.

[Judge_Xero]

Honestly.....roll as War and make the DRK MT. Storms Path is a godsend for progression and if you don't have a NIN then the Unchained Defiance pull is just too OP.

Please don't say you run double WHM healers as well.

If you have to keep up Shield Oath for both healers to keep you up regardless of CDS then they are just bad. A9S was pretty much solo healable in i240 gear.

[dragonseth07]

I'm gonna echo other sentiments here and say that your group is holding back your DPS more than your rotation.

[TenZer0]

This rotation might not be optimal, but it works astoundingly well for me and my group; and let's me still do a decent amount of dps while maintaining hate in raid content.

Vit Pot> Fight or Flight> Circle of Scorn> Fracture> Spirits Within> Goring Blade Combo> Halone Combo> Royal Authority Combo, and then rotating mainly between Goring and Royal while throwing in the [Spirits>Fracture>Scorn] combo (in that order), and then Halone if I see hate slipping.

Depending on which fight we're on, I may switch to sword oath right after my first Halone Combo.

Again, I'm not saying this optimal. But I like the Vit Pot at beginning since that's when I first apply my dots. It usually drops right around when Rage of Halone hits.

[Only1zbro]

Just tossing it out there but Fracture is a waste of a GCD. Proven multiple times over.

[Mirateski]

Thanks everyone for the tips!

We have an ast/sch combo, in a9s the ast does the adds and the sch does the healing although I get regens from the ast periodically.

I've been doing clears in RF, as has the SCH, and when we met back up as a group after christmas I found that my hp was far less... wobbly. I didn't have any issues dumping halone completely (although I made our SCH cry) and I've been switching to SwO after first adds, hopping back in for scrapline. Probably as we get more used to the fight I'll be able to switch sooner.

(I do keep poking the blm about quelling, and I'm levelling WAR, because so far on a10s prog we don't have the dps for the steamroller even with a NIN subbing for our drg, and having a more reasonable group comp would help with that, I think)

[Sarcatica]

Thanks everyone for the tips!

We have an ast/sch combo, in a9s the ast does the adds and the sch does the healing although I get regens from the ast periodically.

I've been doing clears in RF, as has the SCH, and when we met back up as a group after christmas I found that my hp was far less... wobbly. I didn't have any issues dumping halone completely (although I made our SCH cry) and I've been switching to SwO after first adds, hopping back in for scrapline. Probably as we get more used to the fight I'll be able to switch sooner.

(I do keep poking the blm about quelling, and I'm levelling WAR, because so far on a10s prog we don't have the dps for the steamroller even with a NIN subbing for our drg, and having a more reasonable group comp would help with that, I think)

That's more on the individual performance rather than the comp itself. To lack the damage to kill steamroller means that your damage dealers aren't performing to the standard.

A9s and a10s were both cleared in a day with i240s by the top groups, if your team somehow can't meet the damage requirement after so many months of gearing up, it can only mean 1 thing.

[Awful]

I do keep poking the blm about quelling, and I'm levelling WAR, because so far on a10s prog we don't have the dps for the steamroller even with a NIN subbing for our drg, and having a more reasonable group comp would help with that, I think

That's a group issue for sure since it doesn't fall just on the tanks but DPS as a whole, I'm glad to see your healers are adapting to you being in SwO however you say the Ast does adds and Sch does the healing? Does that mean that the Sch is the main or off healer?

It just sounds like DPS isn't up to snuff yet but keep practicing and you'll get it but parse yourself and keep posting you'll get responses, but as posted above me after so many months of gearing up this was cleared in 240 and the rest in crafted gear as we're coming up on the next hurdle of patches where you should already be way up there as a raider or have cleared, your group needs to step it up.

[hakurou46]

(I do keep poking the blm about quelling, and I'm levelling WAR, because so far on a10s prog we don't have the dps for the steamroller even with a NIN subbing for our drg, and having a more reasonable group comp would help with that, I think)

Get your DPS players to do the SSS for A10S if they havent already. Tell them to save their cooldowns for the steamroller phase if you need a little extra push.

[Deus_ex_Machina]

Would you be open to experiment? if so, may i suggest do 1 or 2 Rage of Halone combo and then straight up drop shield oath, not even putting on sword oath. and then use fight or flight to buff up your Goring blade+circle of scorn. Use a rampart to get yourself that +20% mitigation from Shield Oath if it pleases your healers

it sounds crazy right? but you don't benefit from sword oath until 9-12 GCDs later, since it only give you additional Autos. So establish your aggro and then drop shield's -20% penalty, (btw, dropping shield does not eat at your gcd) get about 2 full rotations (pot+gore + circle of scorn, and royal authority) in and pop back to shield oath.

Also you mentioned getting 2 Circle of scorn in your Fight or Flight. That's great, but if you use FoF just before Goring Blade, you can safely get 2 Goring + 2 SoC within 1 FoF