Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

[Feyona]

The part that you seem to be missing is that idle healers are a detriment to the party. What they believe doesn't matter.

Time and again, we (collectively, as proponents of active and engaged healer gameplay) have expressly stated that players who are learning how to play healers and/or are learning specific encounters or mechanics are not reasonably expected to stance-dance like pros from the start. Likewise, players who are in the position of having to use more healing actions due to issues with the party and/or an unusually high healing requirement are not expected to DPS to the detriment of healing. .

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

[VanilleFang]

they don't pay for their subscription.

I pay for my own subscription. If someone can't be assed to bother to play even half-decent it's not worth my time and money.
If you think it's worth your money to hit 1 or 2 keys then fine, but don't waste my money.

A healer is never a detriment to a team because they heal, try doing stuff without one

That's the same as a tank who thinks they are irreplaceable. I've done stuff without a healer before. They aren't all godly and to think that they are the most required role in the game is not only incredible self centered but also a complete misunderstanding of how the game works.

[Rivxkobe]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

We are not intolerant. Again if someone is learning or trying then fine. But if they are deliberately doing less because they want to they are being inconsiderate and selfish.

[Feyona]

I pay for my own subscription. If someone can't be assed to bother to play even half-decent it's not worth my time and money. If you think it's worth your money to hit 1 or 2 keys then fine, but don't waste my money.

Thats fine, your not really being ateam player if you cant accept those not as good as you. We all carry others to some extent, and some dont mind helping people that are weaker, for whatever reason. I actually dont mind how others want to play. It doesnt matter I clear content with allsorts of different people, proving that you dont have to play how others play to do it. To know a fight you got to do it. Healers often have to just heal to learn the fight inially, which proves you can just heal and do it.

[Taika]

Thats fine, your not really being ateam player if you cant accept those not as good as you.

Once again, it's not about being good or bad - it's about making an effort or not. Everyone here is very accepting towards players who are trying to become better and want to support their team as much as they can, even if they aren't very good. It's only the people who refuse to be helpful, those who expect their team to work harder than they themselves do, who are not appreciated - and for a reason.

[Dsync]

"I pay my subscription, therefore everyone should carry me while I hit cure II every 3 seconds while everyone else has to do rotations, movement etc... I'm the team player here, not you"

You can work out pretty quickly those that can't do/aren't comfortable with doing damage, and those that want to half afk and have everyone else carry them. Not everyone is comfortable doing damage during a big pull (on their secondary class/job) and that's fair enough. But sitting there just casting Cure II when there's very little need? That's not a team player, that's a leech. Seeing the defence here of this attitude just makes it clear there are far too many who want a free ride, using 'intolerance' as an effort to shut down the discussion (you're not intolerant of others, are you? For shame).

You can tell when DPS are doing the bare minimum, and they don't get a free ride either. They're more likely to be kicked, from what I've seen. Healers who can do it but refuse are just as bad.

[VanilleFang]

Once again, it's not about being good or bad - it's about making an effort or not. Everyone here is very accepting towards players who are trying to become better and want to support their team as much as they can, even if they aren't very good. It's only the people who refuse to be helpful, those who expect their team to work harder than they themselves do, who are not appreciated - and for a reason.

I always find that people who argue against the points we try to make put up a strawman and claim that we are unhelpful to people who are learning. I don't get why this is where they always end up when they can't come up with a logical reason to defend their point of view. I am incredibly helpful and understanding, if you are new or inexperienced. If you are level 60 with multiple jobs and are running a low level dungeon and refuse to cast anything but Cure? Yeah, I ain't going to be exactly nice. Why do we have to explain this every single time?

[Cynfael]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

I challenge you to prove how I am creating this intolerant environment. Even if you were somehow able to monitor my gameplay in parties, you would see that I never harass other players over their playstyle "choices" and make suggestions only when they are causing a real problem. Also, if we were to avoid having discussions like these simply for fear of creating an intolerant environment for some participants, we would discuss basically nothing at all.

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.

[Cynfael]

I always find that people who argue against the points we try to make put up a strawman and claim that we are unhelpful to people who are learning. I don't get why this is where they always end up when they can't come up with a logical reason to defend their point of view. I am incredibly helpful and understanding, if you are new or inexperienced. If you are level 60 with multiple jobs and are running a low level dungeon and refuse to cast anything but Cure? Yeah, I ain't going to be exactly nice. Why do we have to explain this every single time?

Because we aren't having the same discussion, apparently.

They're busy white-knighting against elitist bullies while the rest of us are trying to make helpful points about how it benefits everyone if healers don't succumb to a double-standard that says that it's okay for them to perform fewer actions and overall do less work. If they really cared about the new people, they'd want to encourage these discussions so that at least those who haven't figured it out on their own would be aware that, yes, you can and should be doing your best with the healer role.

[MaloraYuki]

I think the point the original post was trying to make is that if you have more than one healer in PotD and all the healers only heal you don't get anywhere. For example if you have 1 dps and 3 healers and all 3 healers refuse to dps it's going to be a long run, if you even make the time limit. it wasn't about trying to make a healer role seem less important, trying to dis players who are learning, or keep players from playing how they want. It was about bringing up a real problem that holds everyone back, including the players it addresses.