DF Tanks and Whm

[Fluffernuff]

as dark knight u also have delirium, u can DA + DM the first Punishing Heat and it would only do 13k damage, and remember DM is on short CD so u can alternate between that and shadowskin or shadow wall. as for paladin they have ramparts, sentinel and dividene veil, and by than ur ramparts should be up again.

Delirium is baseline and part of the DPS combo. you must maintain it 100% of the time regardless of MT in tank stance, and especially so in the "my DPS matters" arguement. kinda reaching on that one. the numbers i've seen and been hit by are with delirium active. plus 10%int drop doesnt mean 10% reduced magic damage. This is the same reason Foresight isnt the same thing as rampart or shadowskin.

DA+DM I already brought up and explained. DA+DM is WHY DRK has a cooldown for every Punishing Heat... IF shadowskin/wall/DA+DM are all staggered for it.

Divine Veil on PLD isn't a self cooldown. Why would you bring it up? Veil doesn't give yourself a bubble. That's not how it works. Thus, it is another useless cooldown against Punishing Heat.
between JUST rampart and sentinel, there's a gap. Alex WILL get a raw Punishing Heat off on PLD. 1 can be covered by Hallowed. What I don't know is if there's more than 1 gap before enrage. HG may or may not apply. but it can cover... 1. just 1. So, while useful, HG cant be "cycled"

[Mirch]

Low damage tank + WHM that spams Medica2 to rip hate??!

THAT'S ME!!

muaha lol.

[Belhi]

As a rule, whenever I go into a DF my expectations are that players equal the requirements of their role.

I expect a tank to hold agro and use mitigation.

I expect a healer to make sure no one dies to incoming damage and remove any debuffs that will effect their performance.

I expect dps to provide decent damage on the boss while handling their basic mechanics and avoiding AoEs.

If my group does that I am content because like in any random draw you have no idea what hand your going to end up with. Those basic requirements will generally mean a smooth run. Anything on top of that is a bonus. I prefer a player to play it overly safe and perform their role correctly than a player to try maxing out their dps and doing a half assed job of their actual role.

[SundayTrash]

Divine Veil on PLD isn't a self cooldown. Why would you bring it up?

Think of it this way that 10% of ur hp gets turn into shield still act as a mitigation.

[Legion88]

Think of it this way that 10% of ur hp gets turn into shield still act as a mitigation.

For the party, not for the PLD who use it. So it doesn't work like an addition to your eHP and is useless to mitgate a tankbuster or focused attack on the PLD who used it.

[SundayTrash]

For the party, not for the PLD who use it

Its an aoe for the entire party within 15y, and it also wouldn't hurt to go back to shield oath for a single tank buster b4 going back to sword.

[Paladinleeds]

Its an aoe for the entire party within 15y, and it also wouldn't hurt to go back to shield oath for a single tank buster b4 going back to sword.

It's an AoE for everyone in the party within 15y EXCEPT FOR THE PALADIN THAT USED IT! It is still not an effective example. And here you are telling us to go back to Shield Oath for a single tank buster when earlier you were saying we should maximise DPS by not using our tank stance wherever possible and that Paladin had a cooldown for every single tank buster. Which is it? I'm ready to fire on all cylinders here even if it gets me permanently banned from the game here so be wary how you answer this. I'm all for imporoving and helping players by the way and always try to help people out but you have to remember in EU/NA DF is a roll of the dice and most people in DF will NOT try to improve. I'm trying to get better at DRK (I usually PLD the expert runs) and like I said I err on the side of caution. I'm taking the route that's least likely to cause a wipe rather than expecting everyone to be perfect. Even if it means extra minutes in the duty, even if I'm running it octodecillions of times. And I would gladly kick you for playstyle differences if you were to cause this much of a scene saying everyone has to be perfect. Even if it resulted in a report and me being permanently banned from the game without appeal.

[SundayTrash]

you are telling us to go back to Shield Oath for a single tank buster when earlier you were saying we should maximise DPS by not using our tank stance wherever possible and that Paladin had a cooldown for every single tank buster.

Normally I tank on Warrior or Drk, but I went back and did it on a Paladin, so for punishing heat, its gonna be Rampart, Rampart (after the adds), Sentinel, Rampart, Hallowground, Rampart, Sentinel, Rampart, it should be dead by this point.

[Cold_Raven]

Can't expect "normal groups" to pull any sort of specific numbers as long as the game doesn't give the "normal player" a way to see what sort of numbers they're doing.

1k?
400dps?

Means nothing to a player who has no way of judging themselves anyway.
Get an official parser added to the game (including PS4), then we'll talk.
Without doing that, you're a mute screaming at a deaf guy to turn around and wondering why it's not working.

[Yeol]

Get an official parser added to the game (including PS4), then we'll talk.
Without doing that, you're a mute screaming at a deaf guy to turn around and wondering why it's not working.

I would love an in game parse, it will more accurate than 3rd party.
Sadly many people are against it but I think they will be added at some point.