DF Tanks and Whm

[Aamalthea]

Why are people complaining about Tank dps when 90% of ACTUAL DPS cant even top pass 250 - 500? Start realizing that Tanks cant be the god-send dps that you want to be Remember folks - Tanks are Tanks and aren't made to be high damage bashers otherwise what would be the point of playing dps when you can just go in as full tanks with 1 healer with high dps and never die? Oh wait.

STOP with your logic! We can't have that crap here!

[Vanitas]

#dutyfinder
#unrealisticDFexpectations
#lulok
#Gilgamesh
#goodluckwiththatman

[The_NPC]

Whenever I Tank (which will be PLD) my only self rules are: 1) Hold Arrgo on every pulled enemy & 2) use Def buff's acordingly

I only drop Sheild for Sword oath (if I feal like it) in boss fights for 3 conditions:
-Healer has shown mass skill in DPS'n & Healing on the probable large pull I did to get to the boss (or I know said healer)
-DPS are not giving me arrgo problems in Shield... especially if I stoped using Halone combo awhile ago
-Boss has predictable spots of low dmg or no dmg (won't drop it for high dmg fights, AoE or single target dodgeable or otherwise, like A12)

When I Heal (WHM only) the "Hate" I might be making is not normally seen as I have Marco's for my DMG moves baced off targeting my allies, yet with this I have never pulled arrgo of a Tank unless their not using a AOE arrgo moves on a mass pull (which cause is a "Why u not AoE arrgo controlling on a 4+ mob pull?") also Medica 2 to me is for AoE heavy fights or bonus HoT's to allow me more stance time

[Spiroglyph]

Average/bad players are plentiful in DF, this is no news - people want to clear their weekly content by facerolling and doing little else besides pressing 1-2-3 combos, but I think your post oversimplifies this a little bit.
I do sometimes do DF content as a tank, and try to use my DPS stance as often as I can - only WHEN and IF I fell that i can safely do so without losing agro or causing a potential wipe. There's situations when this is just not possible, especially if the tank has ilvl significantly lower than the ilvl of the DPS and the DPS are doing their roles and rotations as they should. For example, my tank is i250, and when I come across people decked in full i270 who know their jobs inside and out and perform more than adequately (this is unusual but it DOES happen), I have trouble keeping aggro when I get too adventurous with stance dancing.

For WHM yeah med2 is sort of not very efficient MP wise and doesn't heal much outside of divine seal, but here too I'm guilty of using it when throwing out as much regen as i can on the tank and team so I can switch to CS for as long as I can.

Besides that, it's unreasonable to expect to find only top tier players in duties, specially in DF... personally if the team finishes the instance within reasonable time and they're not obviously cheating and are at least performing moderately... it's whatever.

tl;dr both situations you mentioned are only "bad" on certain circumstances and top tier players aren't the only kind of people playing

[aesteval]

what would be the point of playing dps when you can just go in as full tanks with 1 healer with high dps and never die? Oh wait.

Actually...for most content you can freely replace DPS with tanks. Some content you don't even need healers (including with ilvl sync.) ^_^ You were probably already getting to that point, but I wanted to voice it out loud.

[FabricioRF]

How often do u run across tanks pugging Alex normal that tend to stay in defensive stance the entire time and can hardly pull 700 dps

What's wrong with tanks tanking?

[SundayTrash]

What's wrong with tanks tanking?

thats like saying dps, just auto attacking, or healing standing there doing nothing until someone takes damage, they are doing their jobs, but not putting any effort into improving.